Another gaming pc build thread

[techguyone]

I have the 780 GTX, I could have got the Ti but I felt for the difference in price, the performance gain wasn't worth it. You get to the point of ever diminishing returns. I'm sure it's a fine card, but it's not giving £100 worth more performance, and that to me, makes it not good value.

[damien c]

I got the 780Ti's because my I sold a few older parts to cover the extra cost, I was tempted when the Titan Blacks came out to sell my 780Ti's but to be honest I don't need the 6Gb of Vram at the moment, and I don't need the DP that the Titans offers.

The 780's are good cards don't get me wrong but they can only compete with a 780Ti when the 780 is overclocked and the 780Ti is left at stock.

Next cards from Nvidia are going to be fun cards to have though!!! Lot's of Vram and they will overclock like crazy whilst staying cool and using lower amounts of power than the 780Ti's, but offering around 15% performance improvement when at stock speeds.

I will be waiting for the 900 series though when the true Maxwell cards come out, that will be a worthy upgrade for me especially considering I am going to have a £2k bill at the end of the year when I upgrade to X99.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by damien c

Please point out where a GTX780 is beating a 780Ti in every single test, considering a 780 has a cut down core and the 780Ti has the full core unlocked?

Vram is not going to make up for the card having it's main core reduced!

My god how blind are you? I've already pointed this out and provided links three times.
Since you've proven yourself incapable of clicking the links I provided earlier, here's a direct view of the ACTUAL IMAGES proving you wrong:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/638...ew/index6.html
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/585...ew/index8.html


GTX 780 6GB: 123fps/178fps/207fps
GTX 780 Ti: 118fps/168fps/193fps.



GTX 780 6GB: 74fps/114fps/135fps
GTX 780 Ti: 69fps/105fps/126fps



GTX 780 6GB: Avg 100fps/145fps/163fps
GTX 780 Ti: Avg 55fps/100fps/136fps



GTX 780 6GB: 53fps/77fps/91fps
GTX 780 Ti: 50fps/74fps/88fps

And it goes on and on...
And lowest price for a GTX 780Ti: £500 (excluding foreign Ebay retailers)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?outp...&oq=gtx+780+ti
Lowest price for a GTX 780 6GB OC: £400
https://www.google.co.uk/search?outp...6gb+twin+frozr

Originally Posted by damien c

The 780's are good cards don't get me wrong but they can only compete with a 780Ti when the 780 is overclocked and the 780Ti is left at stock.

And yet, the overclocked 780 is STILL £100 cheaper than the stock 780Ti, and is faster in every single test.

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Originally Posted by damien c

When I look at reviews for cards I look at them based on the reviews using games with graphics that are actually decent rather, than cartoon graphics or that are gimped because the developer doesn't want to much of a difference between the pc graphics and the console graphics, which has been happening for a long time but has only recently been made public.

I get it, you're annoyed with yourself because you wasted £1000 on a pair of overpriced graphics cards that you don't know how to use properly. However, just because you choose to play crap games that you're force fed by the mainstream media in order to justify your investment, does not mean everyone else is just as shallow. I've already proven several times your idea of "most games" does not reflect the reality of what most people play.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

I have the 780 GTX, I could have got the Ti but I felt for the difference in price, the performance gain wasn't worth it. You get to the point of ever diminishing returns. I'm sure it's a fine card, but it's not giving £100 worth more performance, and that to me, makes it not good value.

I know several people who did the exact same, even before the overclocked 6GB cards came out. But now, with OC'd GTX 780's being faster than the Ti in every way and over £100 cheaper, there's no sense in buying the 780Ti at all.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

I decided to go for the R9 290 (XFX Black) for my latest rebuild - on the basis of bang for buck. Big sucker, I hope it fits in my case without fouling the drive cage :O

Surely top of the range everything doesn't really make sense unless you're going to spend your life sat on your arse playing games!

Yeah, I got a R9 290 as well, for the same reason. It's loud, it runs hot, but it's also by far the best bang for the buck right now. Though that said you can get smaller ones as well as quieter ones with aftermarket coolers for a little extra, which is often worthwhile considering how crap the stock AMD cooler is.

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Originally Posted by peanut

I nearly went with the R290s but for noise and the problems associated with them I decided against it.

The noise and problems were really just because of the horrendous AMD reference cooler design. There's a lot of aftermarket coolers that perform a lot better, and indeed the R9 295x2 is a stupendously fast card that runs ridiculously cool and quiet as well thanks to the bundled water-cooling (which just proves what the chip is capable of when cooled properly). Sadly the market knows this which is why the R9 290s with decent coolers cost so much more.

[peanut]

Would the results fare better if the GTX780 Ti was overclocked to match the overclocked 780?

[qasdfdsaq]

Probably, although then the 780 Ti would cost even more, and some results (like Battlefield 4) are RAM limited so overclocking won't help (the main advantage of the "OC" GTX 780 is because it comes factory overclocked, it's warrantied and guaranteed to work at that speed)

That's the beauty of these "OC" or "Gigahertz Edition" cards, they may be OC'd as far as the original NVidia spec is concerned, but for all intents and purposes they're not overclocked at all as far as the user is concerned.

[damien c]

Originally Posted by peanut

Would the results fare better if the GTX780 Ti was overclocked to match the overclocked 780?

The overclocked 780Ti's will give higher results than the 780 6Gb card apart from in games where Vram becomes the limiting factor.

@ qasdfdsaq I am not annoyed with myself for buying the fastest single core graphics card that there was, at the time when I bought them.

My cards are still under air but quite easily overclock to 1250Mhz on the core, and 7800Mhz on the ram but I run them at stock because I don't need them to be overclocked.



Either way the 780 6Gb is a good card for the money and does perform well but for me I would rather have the card that, has the full core and performs better when it's overclocked.

[damien c]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Probably, although then the 780 Ti would cost even more, and some results (like Battlefield 4) are RAM limited so overclocking won't help (the main advantage of the "OC" GTX 780 is because it comes factory overclocked, it's warrantied and guaranteed to work at that speed)

That's the beauty of these "OC" or "Gigahertz Edition" cards, they may be OC'd as far as the original NVidia spec is concerned, but for all intents and purposes they're not overclocked at all as far as the user is concerned.

Both these reviews show the 780Ti being faster at stock speeds than a 780 6Gb card at stock speeds.

As it's not Tweaktown though, I guess the reviewers don't know what they are doing.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,17.html

http://www.overclockers.com/asus-str...cs-card-review

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,25.html

As for other reviews I am waiting for them to come out, but those two clearly show that at stock before a overclock the GTX780Ti is faster!!

So as I said I am happy having a faster card at stock and a faster card when I overclock it.

I will wait for the OC3D review and Bit-Tech reviews though since they run test's when the card, is at stock and overclocked against other cards that are at stock and overclocked, compared to Tweaktown who run the overclocked cards against stock cards.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by damien c

@ qasdfdsaq I am not annoyed with myself for buying the fastest single core graphics card that there was, at the time when I bought them.

Then why are you ranting trying to pretend your cards are better when they are clearly not?

My cards are still under air but quite easily overclock to 1250Mhz on the core, and 7800Mhz on the ram but I run them at stock because I don't need them to be overclocked.

Either way the 780 6Gb is a good card for the money and does perform well but for me I would rather have the card that, has the full core and performs better when it's overclocked.

Overclocking is risky and voids the warranty. Buying a card that is faster out the box, e.g. a 780 GTX 6GB Twin Frozr, is not risky, and does not void the warranty. Which you clearly haven't learnt given the amount of hardware you've managed to break by overclocking badly.

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Originally Posted by damien c

Both these reviews show the 780Ti being faster at stock speeds than a 780 6Gb card at stock speeds.

False. How is 91fps faster than 89fps? <removed>

As for other reviews I am waiting for them to come out, but those two clearly show that at stock before a overclock the GTX780Ti is faster!!

False again. The MSI Twin Frozr is running at stock speeds for that card

[damien c]

Really 91fps is not faster than 89fps are you really saying that a card that produces more fps is slower than a card than produces less fps?

Also the Twin Frozr card is overclocked from the NVIDIA STOCK speeds, regardless of how you try to fudge it.

Any card that runs above the stock frequency set by Nvidia or AMD is automatically overclocked, and that means that yes the overclocked card is faster than a stock card but when the stock card is overclocked, that is when you will see the difference or lack off.

A overclocked 780Ti will ALWAYS be faster than a 780 thanks to the faster memory bus, faster memory speed and the fact it has MORE CORES!


In single display mode the 780Ti is faster than a Stock Asus Strix 780 6Gb and also when the Asus card is overclocked it is still slower than a stock 780Ti.

In Surround with 3 monitors where you would expect the 780 6Gb card to come out on top the STOCK 780Ti is faster.

You say I am "either incapable of reading, ignorant to the point of stupidity, or fail seriously at basic arithmetic" but you are the one who is any of those things.

Yes the MSI card might be faster against a stock 780Ti but as soon as you overclock the 780Ti and put it up against the overclocked 780, you will see that the 780Ti comes out on top.

Once the reviews are live from OC3D and Bit-Tech I will post the links here so you can see how foolish you really are.

Yes you may be happy with a slower card, and you may have a great deal of knowledge in the computer hardware industry but when you say that a card is faster than it actually is, then you instantly loose all respect from me!

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

False. How is 91fps faster than 89fps? <removed>

Really ?

Im pretty sure 91 is faster than 89

Either way, dont post comments like the rest of that line I just removed, unless you wish to accumulate warnings.

[damien c]

After thinking about this it is pointless me carrying on trying to prove what I have already proven, time to set the ignore option.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by damien c

After thinking about this it is pointless me carrying on trying to prove what I have already proven, time to set the ignore option.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by damien c

Really 91fps is not faster than 89fps are you really saying that a card that produces more fps is slower than a card than produces less fps?

Sorry, let me clarify. You said the GTX 780 Ti which got 89fps is faster than the GTX 780 6GB Twin Frozr which got 91fps.

Originally Posted by damien c

Also the Twin Frozr card is overclocked from the NVIDIA STOCK speeds, regardless of how you try to fudge it.

It is running at the speed it was set to run at by the manufacturer regardless of how you try to fudge it.
It is running at the speed it defaults to out of the box regardless of how you try to fudge it
It is running at the speed it was sold to run at regardless of how you try to fudge it
It is running at the speed it was designed to run at regardless of how you try to fudge it
It is running at the the speed it is guaranteed to run at regardless of how you try to fudge it.
It is £100 cheaper than a stock GTX 780 regardless of how you try to fudge it.
It is faster than a stock GTX 780 regardless of how you try to fudge it.
Faster and £100 cheaper = better value regardless of how you try to fudge it.

Originally Posted by damien c

A overclocked 780Ti will ALWAYS be faster than a 780 thanks to the faster memory bus, faster memory speed and the fact it has MORE CORES!

Did I say overclocked 780Ti? I said BASIC (STOCK) 780tI. Find me an overclocked 780Ti that costs £100 less than a stock 780Ti and then your case might be relevant.

Originally Posted by damien c

Yes the MSI card might be faster against a stock 780Ti but as soon as you overclock the 780Ti and put it up against the overclocked 780, you will see that the 780Ti comes out on top.

Doesn't change the fact that it's still faster and cheaper than a stock 780Ti (which I'm glad you finally admit)

Originally Posted by damien c

Yes you may be happy with a slower card, and you may have a great deal of knowledge in the computer hardware industry but when you say that a card is faster than it actually is, then you instantly loose all respect from me!

You've clearly missed the bit where I said I don't have any of the above cards... Or the bit where I posted a dozen benchmarks that show the card is faster. When you point blank deny the benchmarks done by professional review sites that are sitting right in front of your face, you lose all respect from everybody.

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Originally Posted by damien c

After thinking about this it is pointless me carrying on trying to prove what I have already proven, time to set the ignore option.

All you've proven is you
a) Admit breaking a lot of hardware
b) Cannot accept that spending over £1000 on two graphics cards that are barely faster than a single £360 card represents "poor value for money"
d) Like to derail the thread with tangential arguments while failing to address the actual point.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Really ?

Im pretty sure 91 is faster than 89

Either way, dont post comments like the rest of that line I just removed, unless you wish to accumulate warnings.

You're right about that, qasdfdsaq must have typo'd?

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Really ?

Im pretty sure 91 is faster than 89

Apologies. I rather stupidly wrote them the wrong way around. See clarification above.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

You're right about that, qasdfdsaq must have typo'd?

Guilty. Trying to quote an example obviously doesn't help when I get it the wrong way round.

Nonetheless, seeing as he's still missed the point I stated earlier:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

For example the GTX 780Ti is a very poor value for money card. Even the basic 780Ti [that means not overclocked] is, on average over £100 more than the GTX 780 6GB example I posted earlier [that means the Twin Frozr I specifically linked to], and is universally slower in every single test. You could brag about having the fastest "stock" card, but you could also get a card that's faster and better in every way, for £100 less.