New STM could be coming your way - Page 3

leexgx · 10-02-2009, 22:11

more like 20-25 mins if you can flat line (task manager) the download on 20mb

3gb sucks really if it was 5gb at least you could download an dvd size file and not get caped

with the Throttling its so much as you can still download more then 100gb in one day (think it was like 150GB or 200gb not worked it out for some time due to the morning limits now in place) if you do that on an bt line they likely cut you off as most are 40gb per month limits, on the so called unlimited ones is most likely around 100gb before they mite email you or letter

caps did not really affect me once they moved it to 9pm cut off as thats the time i norm started my downloads or started using me internet (on 50mb now so caps are not an problem yet apart from some random i am hoping "errors" when my broadband drops to 2.5mb/s have to reset my MAC adress to fix it)

ignoring the currant STM now the new STM could pose to be problem more so for the week end but haveing the cut off at 23:00 is good so at least now you know your going to get full speed at 11pm not 2am if you hit the throttler before just before 9pm

zaax · 10-02-2009, 22:36

nice to see that VM are still screwing there customers like in the old days of NTL

brundles · 10-02-2009, 22:37

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nice to see that VM are still screwing there customers like in the old days of NTL

Erm - they are NTL - just wearing VM badge...

zaax · 10-02-2009, 22:58

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Originally Posted by brundles

Erm - they are NTL - just wearing VM badge...

If thats the case they are East Coast Cable wearing a VM badge. The last two being shysters.

How can they promote 50M when they drop you to 2.5M when only 1/2 a movie has been down loaded - 2.5M is not even broadband

brundles · 10-02-2009, 23:14

I believe the Ofcom definition of broadband (although I'd have to dig to be sure) is that only 512kbps is necessary to be classed as broadband.

Doesn't change that VM are (IMO) throttling to "encourage" people to upgrade for downloaded capacity rather than immediately bandwidth. TBH I think it's the only way the BB industry can go but I just wish that someone would be more open about it.

leexgx · 10-02-2009, 23:26

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Originally Posted by zaax

How can they promote 50M when they drop you to 2.5M when only 1/2 a movie has been down loaded - 2.5M is not even broadband

i agree 2.5 is not broadband my self keep telling my customers for Ã‚Â£4 thay can get 10mb, 2mb sucks when your at customers houses fixing pcs

its most likely an error really as you cant just change your MAC address to get around the STM on 20mb bb or lower service as the limiter still apply (i think it does as i have never tryed to change my mac address to get an new ip to get around the download limiter on 20MB or lower service as it should be working off your host name that VM gives you as that is static)

Welshchris · 10-02-2009, 23:31

of BE were here id switch

leexgx · 11-02-2009, 00:07

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of BE were here id switch

i had to read that 3-4 times as i could not read (edit it and put if not of, i am bit tried to work it out at first

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max BE could offer is 48mb if thay do that package that offers 2xbond ADSL2 lines working at 24mb each (like that will happen), thing is you be paying alot more then what VM charges for phone and 50MB bb

Fatec · 11-02-2009, 00:07

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Originally Posted by leexgx

i had to read that 3-4 times as i could not read (edit it and put if not of)

max BE could offer is 48mb if thay do that package that offers 2xbond ADSL2 lines working at 24mb each (like that will happen), thing is you be paying alot more then what VM charges for phone and 50MB bb

Yea but at least you know you wont be capped to hell and back.

You pay for what you get, unless your with virginmedia of course.

Stabhappy · 11-02-2009, 00:08

2.5mb? They're either trying out some ludicrous application throttling or you're doing it wrong. Do you get 2.5mb flat with 1 connection? what is each thread limited to (if any?)

Also, Fatec, I understand that where you live you're getting a silly good deal on a FTTH connection, but here in good old Britain we've got two choices. Cable, or phone lines. Phone lines, no matter how much they can prolongue it, will eventually not suffice for high speed connections. Granted we're getting shafted on cable, but it's better than a kick in the b***s.

leexgx · 11-02-2009, 01:02

thats 20 connections to an news server SSL i was at the pc when i watched it drop dead on 9pm from just under 6MB/s to 230KB/s (other room was streaming) that was in task manager as well as newsbin and server app that newsbin connects to showed 2 I/O server socket errors and hung an 3rd connection (2-3 of the connections then would randomly hang and make parts of the download appear as missing until i retry them) re setting the modem does not fix it only changeing the mac address does
i go home now before i cant drive home (this laptop is giveing me tunnel vision

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i have an other topic for this just not sure if any one els has had these problems with speeds dropping i been with cable for +5 years aprt from the billing system in the past with C&W or NTL i had no problems with NTL (ok 1 dead modem and one reconnecting one both was replaced with self install option) or Virgin

graf_von_anonym · 11-02-2009, 01:07

From my lofty vantage point in Castell Anonym I can say that (in my admittedly limited experience) I have not yet seen more than about 3% of subscribers on any given CMTS traffic managed on any given day. I would say that my lofty vantage point is entirely unscientific, however, and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

The whole 'limit' thing is a marketing nonsense. When Virgin describe themselves as 'unlimited' what they mean is that there isn't an entirely arbitrary* download limit, but a bandwidth restriction. $BANDWIDTH x $TIME will always give you a maximum theoretical downloadable amount, Virgin just modify those values from time to time.

The business of running to OFCOM is, to my mind, just continued escalation from "I am going to cancel unless..." and "I want to talk to a manager". It's a product of frustration, because processes and procedures have not perhaps been clearly explained or understood. In the grand scheme of things I'd be overjoyed if I the thing that concerned me most was that sometimes my broadband were slower than at other times.

*I mean, yes, it is arbitrary in that it's a fixed amount less than the theoretical maximum, but it's probably been worked out with all manner of cunning. Ultimately I blame the conflation of bandwidth and speed.

|Kippa| · 11-02-2009, 10:05

So basically the only thing they have changed is how long STM lasts when it kicks in, changing it from 5 hours to 7 hours yes?

Kymmy · 11-02-2009, 10:16

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So basically the only thing they have changed is how long STM lasts when it kicks in, changing it from 5 hours to 7 hours yes?

And also the fact that STM stops dead at 11pm (instead of continuing for the rest of the time until 1am latest)

cimt · 11-02-2009, 10:48

This is sort of better for me, as in our house there's 3 laptops, a PC and a 360. So he weekday timing is better, I'm not liking the weekend one though... I can't even change from VM either, I live too far away from the exchange to get a decent speed. According to SamKnows, I'd get about 2Mb on a BT line...