Networking question - Page 3

Paul K · 07-07-2005, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Wayne A

My PC
Wireless Router >>>> ethernet cable into wireless network card >>> another cable from router leading downstairs into second wireless card in 2nd PC?

Wayne as pointed out you are buying a wireless router and using wireless cards in the PCs, you would only need to use a cable to connect anything to the router if you needed to troubleshoot the connection. Other than that I would stay wireless if I were you

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Originally Posted by Wayne A

I dont understand. Could someone put it in simple steps in the correct way like i have so that i understand?

Erm let me see
Your connection will plug into the wireless router. The wireless router will then transmit the data to the wireless cards which are in your PC. Your PC will take that data and give some form of graphical representation of it on your display.
The wireless networking equipment does not require cables connecting it all together

MovedGoalPosts · 07-07-2005, 20:25

Right, now I'm clear on what you are intending.

1) Ignore, scrap, sell, whatever the internal PCI ADSL modem. You willl not need it again.

2) For your existing PC, make sure it has a standard ethernet network card. If it doesn't simple ones cost around ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£10.00

3) Buy yourself a wireless router.
This wireless router can be with or without an integral ADSL modem. If it has a modem integral you will not need your BT modem. If you do not have an integral modem you will need the BT modem. I do not know if the BT modem uses an ethernet or USB connection. If it is USB it will probably not be compatible with a wireless router so in which case you should get a combined wireless router with ADSL modem.

4) Buy a wireless network adaptor card for your new PC.

5) The wiring setup will now be:
Wall socket of incoming ADSL connection > modem cable > ADSL modem
ADSL modem > ethernet cable > wireless router
(if you have a combined wireless router modem then it will be wall socket > modem cable > router)
wireless router > ethernet cable > original PC network card
wireless router > no wires needed > new PC wireless network adaptor.

This setup has the advantage both PCs can now operate independently of each other, but you can transfer data (slowly) between them. Both PCs can be switched on and off independently of each other.

Since the original PC is located in the study, where you are already happy to have a wired setup there is no point in giving it the added expense of wireless. There is also nothing to be gained by switching back to your internal ADSL modem, when you give up AOL. Your BT modem should work quite adequately on any ADSL service, unless it is limited in some way on it's maximum speed service. You 'd just need to reprogram it, when the time comes, for the new ADSL supplier's logon.

**Chris** · 07-07-2005, 21:22

Wayne, the more I read your posts, the more convinced I am that you are a chatbot rather than a real person ...

MadGamer · 14-07-2005, 22:03

I have another question: My current PC that im using now has Windows XP Home SP2. The PC im having built will have Windows XP Professional on it. Now when i network these will the PC's be able to see each other on the network?

Also after i have moved my acount from the current PC to my new one, im gonna format the current PC im using now. What network settings should i note down?

Raistlin · 14-07-2005, 22:05

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Originally Posted by Wayne A

I have another question: My current PC that im using now has Windows XP Home SP2. The PC im having built will have Windows XP Professional on it. Now when i network these will the PC's be able to see each other on the network?

Also after i have moved my acount from the current PC to my new one, im gonna format the current PC im using now. What network settings should i note down?

Yes, they will be able to see eachother.

My network of XP and 2k3 Server runs just fine.

The network should be fairly easy to set up, not much in the way of network settings really.

Just make a note of any fixed IP addresses you've used, and what the Workgroup / Domain name is that you've used.
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I'm sure someone will come up with something else though

Dave Stones · 14-07-2005, 22:08

please don't introduce the idea of fixed IPs....assuming he will be using a router, just leave him be with dynamic addressing, will make life much easier

they will be able to see each other assuming they have the same workgroup...

oh and raistlin, i'm keeping my eye on you.... i don't like the looks of my walls anymore

nffc · 14-07-2005, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Wayne A

I have another question: My current PC that im using now has Windows XP Home SP2. The PC im having built will have Windows XP Professional on it. Now when i network these will the PC's be able to see each other on the network?

Also after i have moved my acount from the current PC to my new one, im gonna format the current PC im using now. What network settings should i note down?

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Raistlin · 14-07-2005, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Dave Stones

please don't introduce the idea of fixed IPs....assuming he will be using a router, just leave him be with dynamic addressing, will make life much easier

Good point, well made

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Originally Posted by Dave Stones

they will be able to see each other assuming they have the same workgroup...

Yep

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Originally Posted by Dave Stones

oh and raistlin, i'm keeping my eye on you.... i don't like the looks of my walls anymore

I know you're keeping your eye on me Dave, don't worry - they've seen you doing it..... Oh, and it's not the walls you want to worry about

MadGamer · 14-07-2005, 22:11

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

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Originally Posted by Wayne A

I have another question: My current PC that im using now has Windows XP Home SP2. The PC im having built will have Windows XP Professional on it. Now when i network these will the PC's be able to see each other on the network?

Also after i have moved my acount from the current PC to my new one, im gonna format the current PC im using now. What network settings should i note down?

Yes, they will be able to see eachother.

My network of XP and 2k3 Server runs just fine.

The network should be fairly easy to set up, not much in the way of network settings really.

Just make a note of any fixed IP addresses you've used, and what the Workgroup / Domain name is that you've used.
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I'm sure someone will come up with something else though

You mentioned Domains and workgroups, would this be nessecery, could you please give me a little more info?

EDIT: It think i understand the IP part now, would that be the MAC Addresses of both PC's?

Raistlin · 14-07-2005, 22:15

Ok, ignore Domain - red herring for what you're doing.

On your desktop right click on the My Computer icon.

Select properties.

Select Computer Name.

Towards the middle of the information is a line that says "Workgroup", this should be the same for both machines once they're set up.
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Originally Posted by Wayne A

EDIT: It think i understand the IP part now, would that be the MAC Addresses of both PC's?

Nope. Ignore that bit.

If you're installing a router you don't need to worry about that, it will give each machine an IP address - nothing you need to worry about honest.

I think I was over complicating things a bit because of the way my machine is set up.

Dave Stones · 14-07-2005, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Wayne A

You mentioned Domains and workgroups, would this be nessecery, could you please give me a little more info?

EDIT: It think i understand the IP part now, would that be the MAC Addresses of both PC's?

windows xp home does not work with domains.

workgroups are an essential part, you get asked in windows initial setup what workgroup you want to choose, unless they are the same then the pcs wont be able to comminucate as easily as they should/could.

IPs and MACs are completely separate... IP = internet protocol, MAC = machine allocation code.

Raistlin · 14-07-2005, 22:17

Mac is also a long grey coat that Spies and Government Agents wear

MadGamer · 14-07-2005, 22:17

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Ok, ignore Domain - red herring for what you're doing.

On your desktop right click on the My Computer icon.

Select properties.

Select Computer Name.

Towards the middle of the information is a line that says "Workgroup", this should be the same for both machines once they're set up.
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Originally Posted by Wayne A

EDIT: It think i understand the IP part now, would that be the MAC Addresses of both PC's?

Nope. Ignore that bit.

If you're installing a router you don't need to worry about that, it will give each machine an IP address - nothing you need to worry about honest.

I think I was over complicating things a bit because of the way my machine is set up.

Is this what you mean?

Raistlin · 14-07-2005, 22:18

Yep.

Your workgroup is called "WORKGROUP".

Both machines need to have the same workgroup name for them to be able to network.

Dave Stones · 14-07-2005, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Mac is also a long grey coat that Spies and Government Agents wear

shutupshutupshutup!!! my bed is a divan though, so at least no one can hide under it

don't like the noises coming from the loft though

oh, wayne... yes. click the "change" button, and all your options will be presented like a magic carpet...