Starmer’s chronicles

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul

You're making it up again.
Still, that does apply to some here, across different parties.

No, I am making up nothing. If you have no opinion on if Starmer should pay the bill the country can't afford then you are just whinging and making no contribution. Starmer changed his position after finding out how bad the country's finances are in. Now, if those who think he should not have changed his position and so should pay the billions involved, I am sure they will step forward and happily pay the extra tax required.

I think the problem is that the lack of a moral case to award them money irrespective of the country's finances were clear before the election.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Indeed, you should try it sometime

Don’t like it? Don’t read my posts, simple as.

Hypocrisy, especially when it ruined our country needs to be remembered.

[papa smurf]

Grimsby MP calls for rethink on WASPI women being refused compensation

Melanie Onn made pointed remarks in Parliament this week asking the government to reconsider its decision to not award WASPI women compensation

i must say i'm surprised she's not backing Starmer on this as she's only just got her job back

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...-waspi-9805389

Originally Posted by Russ

Don’t like it? Don’t read my posts, simple as.

Hypocrisy, especially when it ruined our country needs to be remembered.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Grimsby MP calls for rethink on WASPI women being refused compensation

Melanie Onn made pointed remarks in Parliament this week asking the government to reconsider its decision to not award WASPI women compensation

i must say i'm surprised she's not backing Starmer on this as she's only just got her job back

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...-waspi-9805389

Worried about her constituency.

That's why there are so many pictures of WASPI women and MPs. Far more than the Post Office or Infected Blood scandals, both of which the WASPI women compared themselves with. They are very good campaigners, they know how to court the media and how to pressure MPs.

Britain works best for those who know how to play the system. It's why something like this is more politically dangerous than people needing food banks after their benefits are cut.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So Starmer should pay then?

No, he shouldn’t pay them. Everybody knew what was going to happen - the fuss is all over an admin oversight which meant they were not told officially by letter.

The issue here is simply that Starmer was supportive of the Waspi women’s case against the government while in opposition but has now abandoned them, having assumed power.

I think Labour will be only too happy to go back to opposition when they lose the next General Election. They are much happier not having to put their money where their mouths are.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Scrap the triple lock to pay for it. Seems fair enough to me, nobody could complain

That would go down even worse than the scrapping of the winter fuel allowance!

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Totally agree with you…

On that point…

- The Conservative Party suspended the triple lock in 2021, breaking a Manifesto pledge
- The Conservatives broke a manifesto commitment to fix the social care crisis, and successive Conservative Governments promised to publish a plan to improve social care - Alzheimers UK found that families are being forced to shoulder 63% of the cost of dementia care (equivalent to £51,000 a year on average)
- Boris Johnson pledged in 2019 that no-one would have to sell their house to pay for social care under a Conservative government. In 2020, more than 17,000 pensioners were forced to sell their homes to pay for social care (reported in the Daily Mail).

Is this your example of the ‘whataboutery’ that you criticise others on this forum for?

I would just make the obvious point that Covid put paid to those pledges. Labour has no such excuse - that black hole they keep alleging the Conservatives left is a con. Their unnecessary expenditure since coming into power created the black hole, not the Conservatives.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Their unnecessary expenditure since coming into power created the black hole, not the Conservatives.

What unnecessary expenditure are you referring to ?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think Labour will be only too happy to go back to opposition.

They still think they’re in opposition, that’s the problem.

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Originally Posted by Paul

What unnecessary expenditure are you referring to ?

Pay rises for Doctors and train drivers and complete capitulation to end the strikes, which they said was worth it………but they didn’t end the strikes did they? in regards to trains anyway.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Paul

What unnecessary expenditure are you referring to ?

You must have read about that, Paul. Examples include over-inflation pay awards without productivity arrangements, millions sent to other countries to help them deal with climate change, etc.

But of course there’s not even a ‘black hole’ in any case.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...rs-black-hole/

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You must have read about that, Paul. Examples include over-inflation pay awards without productivity arrangements, millions sent to other countries to help them deal with climate change, etc.

But of course there’s not even a ‘black hole’ in any case.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...rs-black-hole/

So you post an article that seems to imply the whole economic policy of team blue for the last 14 years was an unnecessary approach for a government to take. Interesting, but you got there in the end.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

So you post an article that seems to imply the whole economic policy of team blue for the last 14 years was an unnecessary approach for a government to take. Interesting, but you got there in the end.

You must be smoking some good stuff atm, that article is entirely about Labour.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Paul

You must be smoking some good stuff atm, that article is entirely about Labour.

Yes it is about Labour, but it's saying tightening the reins as the only way forwards because of a £22bn black hole is a a misnomer - and the whole Conservative ethos was tighten the rains because there's no other way with funds being tight.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Yes it is about Labour

Indeed, and trying to make it into something its not seems a rather desperate reach.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Yes it is about Labour, but it's saying tightening the reins as the only way forwards because of a £22bn black hole is a a misnomer

We know that, the £22Bn black hole is/was a Labour fabrication.