[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

DC has made the UK a laughing stock to the world and after this vote the world will see us as a lesser people in the grand scheme of things no matter the outcome

He's made himself look inept and duplicitous. From the point at which he came back from his EU 'negotiations' with sweet FA, he's basically gone back on what he said and changed tack from 'the UK could thrive outside the EU' to 'the UK will implode if we leave'.

It's been a thoroughly disingenuous campaign on his behalf and I expected far more than that. Just goes to show how wrong you can be eh but then, the global forces lined up to push us to stay are powerful and politicians always like to be on the winning side even if it means lying through their teeth. There'll be plenty of jobs for them within the old boys network.

The sight of Obama telling the UK we'd be at the back of the queue tells you all you need to know about how the US views the UK. It ought to be a lesson learned for the next time the Americans come looking for us to support them. Given the economic world we live in it's no surprise to me that other countries with whom we compete might gives us the advice that's best for them and not necessarily us...

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Originally Posted by RBMark

Would the NHS have a long term future is we vote remain?

I don't see how the NHS could survive with a remain vote. How can you have only 1 member "state" with a free health care system. Wouldn't that be like launching a NHS style free health care system in lets say Florida but the rest of America has a pay as you go/ private insurance system?

Surely the entire USA would just move or try to move to Florida for the free health care?

Don't worry because, as you know, people can't abuse the NHS. It never happens. It's all lies made up by the tabloid press and the various whistle-blowers who've exposed the level of the abuse are all in the pay of nasty Nigel Farage. Tell me who on Earth would travel to the UK just to get free maternity treatment, dialysis or whatever? It's simply not credible and those who do have to use the system but aren't entitled to free care always have to pay for it. The mechanisms for ensuring that are just as robust as those in place to 'force' illegal migrants who those EU migrants who can't find work in the UK go back home. I really don't know what anyone's worrying about - it's not as though we have a huge problem deporting illegals is it. Not as though the NHS and our various welfare services can't cope at all is it. Not as though there are local authorities the length of the UK who can't house everyone is it. By this time next year, on current trends, the equivalent of the entire population of Iceland will come to the UK but an extra million people every 3 years is not a problem at all, we'll just build the homes, schools, roads etc. that are required on all the free land we have just waiting to be developed. It won't affect the environment either because they'll all be given bikes to travel everywhere and they won't add to our growing elderly population in time because they'll never grow old....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Osem

I really don't mind the different opinions in this debate, it's the lies and BS I have a problem with.

from both sides.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

DC has made the UK a laughing stock

How so?

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

I did not say I believed it, I said it was plausible.

It's not plausible, and with respect as I don't know you....Only an idiot would think that.

Another thing I worry about with a remain vote,

When this government recently decided to try and change/cut working tax credits/inwork tax credits the PEOPLE OF BRITAIN stood up and said no so changes were scrapped.

In years to come will the EU have a say over our benefit system that means even if the people of Britain say NO! to benefit/NHS changes will the power of the EU mean our government is powerless to listen?

Will we need to run it past all member states? Atleast if we're out we can pressure our own elected leaders do what the people want. I'm not sure sure this will be possible in the future.

I see why the many many famous millionaires and millionaire business leaders want us to remain, I just don't see Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms average would want to?

[Stephen]

Why would the EU suddenly have a say in something like that when they haven't before?

The EU don't interfere with everything you know.

Encouraging reports of high turnout, already queues at many London polling stations anyway

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Why would the EU suddenly have a say in something like that when they haven't before?

The EU don't interfere with everything you know.

YET!

Originally Posted by Stephen

Why would the EU suddenly have a say in something like that when they haven't before?

The EU don't interfere with everything you know.

Why wait to find out? Leave Europe an I suspect nothing changes apart from we control our own laws. We will remain probably anyway, when you find out thousand and thousands of Polish and German citizens were "accidentally" sent polling/voting cards to vote today..... Well decide for yourself, how or why that happened.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Times is reporting that big banks are telling their clients to prepare for a Leave vote tonight.

Just read that. Makes sense to prepare even if it's highly unlikely.

Your best guide to how the markets are reacting is probably this.

As good a guide as any to the polls is:




The chance of leaving peaked at ~40%. It's now down at 25%.

[heero_yuy]

We voted first thing this morning for leave. I'm glad in some way that there were no party hacks at the polling station as I would have given them the first degree on how appaling this campaign has been on both sides with stupid lies and deceit at every opportunity.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RBMark

In years to come will the EU have a say over our benefit system that means even if the people of Britain say NO! to benefit/NHS changes will the power of the EU mean our government is powerless to listen?

Will we need to run it past all member states? Atleast if we're out we can pressure our own elected leaders do what the people want. I'm not sure sure this will be possible in the future.

pointless speculation that means absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by RBMark

Why wait to find out? Leave Europe an I suspect nothing changes

Sure, yeah nothing changes...............righty-o then.

[pip08456]

Today we’ve got a big decision to make - do we stay or do we leave the EU? No matter how you plan to vote, we all have one thing in common: we’re deciding the UK's future together. Every single one of us gets a say. There's no safe seats, no wasted votes.

[Big Brian]

He's made himself look inept and duplicitous. From the point at which he came back from his EU 'negotiations' with sweet FA, he's basically gone back on what he said and changed tack from 'the UK could thrive outside the EU' to 'the UK will implode if we leave'.

Behave. Stop using such big words at this time of the day LOL.

[ntluser]

Just hope a lot of people read the front page of the Daily Mail before voting as if it is true there is still a chance to sway potential Remain voters to vote "Leave".

I feel sorry for all the postal voters who voted early on the basis of what was said only to discover that this morning a lot of it was lies.

[Gavin78]

Oh I don't know...Pierre.

The president of the USA getting involved in our affairs. standing on our soil on live tv threatening the UK population on our future with the USA.

While our leader backs him up, the whole Turkey agreement fast tracking, not fast tracking, even Turkey are like WTF is going on.

The whole EU deal he didn't get. How the EU as a whole now view the UK because he's caused political in fighting.

he's turned the UK population in on itself. He said he would back the UK on leaving if he didn't get what he wanted from the EU.

He came back with nothing but still decided to be in the old boys club going back on his word to the UK people and making himself and the UK look like an idiot.

Even the IN voters giving 2 fingers to the fishermen of this country that have lost jobs and business.

It would have been better to have had a lie detector test attached to him when he was speaking to the audience it probably would have crashed out from being overworked.

Went out, voted Leave.