1GB Cap Letter!!!!

[Blake]

So we should, on top of our cable subscription, pay for another product to monitor our usage?

A car comes with the speedo as default.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by blue jammer

Wrong.

I am a sound artist, I write, produce and remix electronica/downtempo music.

I collaborate with people in the UK, USA, Germany, France & Sweden.

In order to do so, I send via FTP and file trasfer either ICQ or MSN .wav files in order to maintain the quality of the tracks we're doing. It's quicker to send a 800 meg (full audio CD) via the net than it is to send it airmail to USA or Sweden.

I'll leave my PC running so I can send/recieve similar files, which can be easily a couple of GIG a day.

This is before I use a not-so-well-known-P2P-program, as there is a community on there of like-minded people who share 320kbps mp3 files of thier work, 95% of them are unsigned and it's a fantastic way to promote your music, get instant feedback.

So it is easy to exceed NTL's silly limit, they need sort this out, else they'll suffer in the long run, most people I know on NTL haven't been overly happy with the service in the last 6 months to a year, with the myriad of problems from proxy's to e-mail.

Companies currently offering 2mb lines for £35.49 (that's 49p more than NTL charge you for a 1mb line)

NTL, drop your pricing & increase the limits or you'll lose a lot of customers

So, buy a business connection, this a residetial connection

[blue jammer]

Originally Posted by Womble

So, buy a business connection, this a residetial connection

Why would I want to do that?

I'm not a business, Hello?

[Womble]

Originally Posted by Acathla

Where can you buy a car without a speedo?

It was an example, not literal. It is your responsibility to monitor your speed, however you do it, just as it is yours to monitor your usage.

[Sociable]

Originally Posted by Womble

When your pulled over for speeding by the police, can you use the excuse you don't have a speedo?? (Odometer)...No. Measure your own usage. If ntl just cut you straight off I could see your point but, aren't the letters warning you that you have exceeded the limit??, and requesting you to slow down??

Fair point again but only applicable if the restrictions in place are both clear and unambiguous and most of all well publicised.

Above all though is the need to examine the reason for the rule in the first place and judge it by whether or not it actually addresses that problem.

As it stands the rule/guide makes no sense as it does not gain the result it was claimed it was designed to give.

EDIT: If anything the reverse is true and what may well develop is people complying with the letter of the law but actualy increasing the congestion at peak times.

[Acathla]

Originally Posted by Womble

It was an example, not literal. It is your responsibility to monitor your speed, however you do it, just as it is yours to monitor your usage.

And I do monitor my usage. I've posted examples of it already.
What we are saying is NTL are trying to force us to limit to 1Gb per day which is both unfair and wrong. NTL need a rethink.

If NTL want to advertise the fact that the 1Mb connections comes with a 1Gb per day limit so be it, a lot of us will be off. Until that day then how can you stand up for NTL?

[Blake]

bluejammer,

Same goes for mod archive . com, lots of people from the demoscene, provide tunes, be it mp3, xm, it or std 4 channel mod to the site, for reviews etc.

If you was into the demoscene back in the amiga days, you will know what I mean, and getting these tunes can soon up your usage.. again, legally.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by blue jammer

Why would I want to do that?

I'm not a business, Hello?

"I am a sound artist, I write, produce and remix electronica/downtempo music."

That sounded like a business

[Acathla]

Originally Posted by Womble

"I am a sound artist, I write, produce and remix electronica/downtempo music."

That sounded like a business

The cambridge dictionaries definition for a business:

"the activity of buying and selling goods and services, or a particular company that does this, or work you do to earn money:"

thats not happening is it?

[blue jammer]

Originally Posted by Womble

"I am a sound artist, I write, produce and remix electronica/downtempo music."

That sounded like a business

I wish it was, but it isn't, it's just a hobby, if it does take off I'll buy you a pint, and maybe a decent internet connection if you like

[Blake]

taken from

http://www.ntlworld.com/service_update.html

Q. What activities could result in exceeding the daily download limit?

A. Downloading very large video files or audio files continuously from newsgroups or file-sharing services like Kazaa, is the most common cause of very high data usage.



erm,

They forgot to add their new Broadband Plus 'could' also reach the daily limits.

[Acathla]

Originally Posted by Blake

taken from

http://www.ntlworld.com/service_update.html

Q. What activities could result in exceeding the daily download limit?

A. Downloading very large video files or audio files continuously from newsgroups or file-sharing services like Kazaa, is the most common cause of very high data usage.



erm,

They forgot to add their new Broadband Plus 'could' also reach the daily limits.

another one of these professional looking websites.
God those NTL web designers are good! <--- sarcasm

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Womble

When your pulled over for speeding by the police, can you use the excuse you don't have a speedo?? (Odometer)...No. Measure your own usage. If ntl just cut you straight off I could see your point but, aren't the letters warning you that you have exceeded the limit??, and requesting you to slow down??

I don't think I've ever heard of someone being killed in an accident because they were using too much bandwidth, but I see your point. It is far easier for the ISP to do this however, and users could very simply login to a web page to see their current useage, maybe even buy more gbs.

[Sociable]

Only one flaw in your argument noob and that is congestion in off peak times wont be an issue as it wont affect the vast majority of games players and browsers or any other mainstream users.

Shifting such use out of the peak time will, however, give clear benefits to all users.

Don't forget this was never put forward as being an issue about total usage it was stressed that the need arose because of congestion at peak times only.

Our solution has the benefit of helping shift and balance loads throughout the 24 hour cycle making the most efficient use of the available bandwidth.

As for producing problem off-peak instead, I doubt sufficient downloads would ever shift for this to be a real issue so the probability that of-peak would get congested instead is unlikely to apply unless you are saying the off peak useage is already very high as well.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

For the record and for information, I support limiting and hard limiting at that because I think all should pay for what they take from a shared resource. I don't care about consideration or otherwise. Karma style, you put in £35 a month, why should you be able to take £70 a month in bandwidth back? Takes 7 people putting £35 in and taking £30 out to subsidise you. I'm completely against the communist model that has held things back, minority restraining majority.

No the communist model is exactly what you are preaching, equal shares for everybody, everybody is equal. You however appear to be confusing this with the failed russian model of communism - everybody is equal but I'm better than you.