Will the NHS go private by 2015?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Oh l like this again my rant at the Tories - l hate them, every single Tory supporter in this country who voted for them, should be ashamed.

Where l live within a few miles - there are four hospitals that were on the Tory hit list for closure - Ealing, West Middlesex, Central Middx and Charing Cross.
Luckily West Middx and Ealing were saved. But this was to SAVE money.

The truth is that the Tories, want the NHS to be privatised and they are doing it by the back door - two years ago a PRIVATE company took over a hospital, and it couldn't be saved as the company couldn't afford to run it.

At the moment there are MORE admin staff running hospitals instead of medical staff. By putting the NHS in private hands would save the government billions. And by 2015 l believe that the Tories will make every attempt to do this.

Its true what some paper said that The Tories think of only one person - THEMSELF.

Members can say that l am ranting, but if there was a vote in the commons - EVERY Tory would vote, except those that would fly abroad - like IDS did yesterday on the bedroom tax vote.

Facts are our friend....

https://catalogue.ic.nhs.uk/publicat...13-nat-tab.xls

Professionally qualified clinical staff 627,956
Support to clinical staff 346,034
NHS infrastructure support 209,975

By way of widening the debate: Almost nowhere in the entire world will you find a state health service that is structured the way ours is. Some degree of co-payment is the norm, especially in modern Western nations.

Why are we so utterly convinced that our way is the best, especially when the NHS doesn't even come close to the top of the developed nations league table for health outcomes?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

This forum is about free speech, and l will say what l want - if you don't like what l write, then don't read it - simples.

The next time ANY member goes to A&E or their GP, see how long you have to wait for an appointment OR wait at A&E to be seen.

I was at Ealing Hospital, the waiting time was FOUR HOURS, reason not enough staff.

To make an appointment with my GP, TWO days, thats if you can get an answer. Drs are overstrectehd.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

By way of widening the debate: Almost nowhere in the entire world will you find a state health service that is structured the way ours is. Some degree of co-payment is the norm, especially in modern Western nations.

Why are we so utterly convinced that our way is the best, especially when the NHS doesn't even come close to the top of the developed nations league table for health outcomes?

Because if we dare to concede for a moment that it isn't then we can't spend our lives blaming the evil Tories for ruining it, trying to ruin it, planning to ruin it, etc. etc.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/1168043/to...-from-internet

Just thought that l would add this bit, found on Sky. Read it and its very interesting.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This forum is about free speech, and l will say what l want - if you don't like what l write, then don't read it - simples.

Wouldn't you need to read it to know you don't like it Also free speech is NOT about saying what you want.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The next time ANY member goes to A&E or their GP, see how long you have to wait for an appointment OR wait at A&E to be seen.

A&E 10 minutes last week and GP 20 mins this morning.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I was at Ealing Hospital, the waiting time was FOUR HOURS, reason not enough staff..

I'm sure waiting times vary everywhere you can't or at least shouldn't base your opinion on just your or a few peoples experience. Plus the staff should be triaging the most serious cases when you get there.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

To make an appointment with my GP, TWO days, thats if you can get an answer. Drs are overstrectehd.

As above waiting times vary. And yes I have no doubt Dr's are overstretched.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This forum is about free speech, and l will say what l want - if you don't like what l write, then don't read it - simples.

The next time ANY member goes to A&E or their GP, see how long you have to wait for an appointment OR wait at A&E to be seen.

I was at Ealing Hospital, the waiting time was FOUR HOURS, reason not enough staff.

To make an appointment with my GP, TWO days, thats if you can get an answer. Drs are overstrectehd.

I was in A&E two Friday nights back, queue up which took about twenty minutes, saw a doctor in around the same time, slightly less probably, went for and ecg and saw a doctor for the results, was in and out in not much over two hours, on a Friday night as well and yet there were people who were there when I arrived lurking about in reception still, wonder what was wrong with them and if it was an actual emergency that brought them there in the first place.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This forum is about free speech, and l will say what l want - if you don't like what l write, then don't read it - simples.

The next time ANY member goes to A&E or their GP, see how long you have to wait for an appointment OR wait at A&E to be seen.

I was at Ealing Hospital, the waiting time was FOUR HOURS, reason not enough staff.

To make an appointment with my GP, TWO days, thats if you can get an answer. Drs are overstrectehd.

Free speech is about saying what you feel/believe - but it is also being challenged on it, if others disagree, or if your facts are in error.

Can't have it both ways*, Arthur....

btw, if it's not too personal/embarrassing, what were you at Ealing A&E for?

btw2, you must have been very unlucky, as the stats for Ealing (for last week) show that only 31 of the 1896 people who attended A&E waited over 4 hours...

http://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics...treps-2013-14/

October 2013 A&E Data http://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics....3-AEFoA0Z.xls Row 169

[jamiefrost]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This forum is about free speech, and l will say what l want - if you don't like what l write, then don't read it - simples.

The next time ANY member goes to A&E or their GP, see how long you have to wait for an appointment OR wait at A&E to be seen.

I was at Ealing Hospital, the waiting time was FOUR HOURS, reason not enough staff.

To make an appointment with my GP, TWO days, thats if you can get an answer. Drs are overstrectehd.

Then I suggest that you have a go at your GP's surgery? Appointments for mine are released 8am for the next day and I can book them online

J

[Osem]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

Wouldn't you need to read it to know you don't like it Also free speech is NOT about saying what you want.


A&E 10 minutes last week and GP 20 mins this morning.

I'm sure waiting times vary everywhere you can't or at least shouldn't base your opinion on just your or a few peoples experience. Plus the staff should be triaging the most serious cases when you get there.

As above waiting times vary. And yes I have no doubt Dr's are overstretched.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

This forum is about free speech, and l will say what l want - if you don't like what l write, then don't read it - simples.

The next time ANY member goes to A&E or their GP, see how long you have to wait for an appointment OR wait at A&E to be seen.

Well......that's largely down to your labour party turning our national health service into an international health service

---------- Post added at 20:30 ---------- Previous post was at 20:28 ----------

Originally Posted by Hugh

btw2, you must have been very unlucky, as the stats for Ealing (for last week) show that only 31 of the 1896 people who attended A&E waited over 4 hours...

busted

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

---------- Post added at 20:30 ---------- Previous post was at 20:28 ----------

busted

Quite - I recall that in 1997, according to Bliar, we had "24 hours to save the NHS" Been a long 24 hours hasn't it?...

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://news.sky.com/story/1167733/a-...o-tier-service

This to me is the first signs that the NHS will go private by the time of the elction.

The NHS cannot cope with the pressure that it is under. Since the Tories came to power, more and more hospitals have come under threat of closure.

Mr Cameron has said that he is pouring millions into the service, well maybe if he poured the money into the medical side and NOT the Admin side, this would ease the mounting pressure on such a delicate sector

It was stated yesterday that some hospitals are 150 nurses short on each section.

Each election year, the NHS is used as a pawn by all political parties to gain more votes, you cannot have that. The NHS is abused each day by patients with needless problems that can be dealt with by Gps or Pharmacists. BUT, all sections of the NHS is stretched to the limit.

But this is because of cutbacks by government. And this is NOT a rant, but the truth about what is happening to a servive provided for poor and needy.

It's halfway there now, google oracle healthcare, it's run by hedge funds and asset strippers.

Who cares who runs it? You get sick, you get treated, you get better and you didn't pay for it. If someone else makes a profit out of the process, so what?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Then you will get the system where if you haven't got the funds to pay for healthcare, you will get a system that you turn up at a hospital and get turned away - and thats happened to me twice, and then got sent back to the hospital by my GP.

I have paid into the health service all my life and therefore expect to be treated free.

Private companies are popping up all the time, wasn't it last year a hospital or GP was sending their patients abroad for treatment as it was quicker and cheaper for them.

Private healthcare is coming in by the back door.