Will the NHS go private by 2015?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/1167733/a-...o-tier-service

This to me is the first signs that the NHS will go private by the time of the elction.

The NHS cannot cope with the pressure that it is under. Since the Tories came to power, more and more hospitals have come under threat of closure.

Mr Cameron has said that he is pouring millions into the service, well maybe if he poured the money into the medical side and NOT the Admin side, this would ease the mounting pressure on such a delicate sector

It was stated yesterday that some hospitals are 150 nurses short on each section.

Each election year, the NHS is used as a pawn by all political parties to gain more votes, you cannot have that. The NHS is abused each day by patients with needless problems that can be dealt with by Gps or Pharmacists. BUT, all sections of the NHS is stretched to the limit.

But this is because of cutbacks by government. And this is NOT a rant, but the truth about what is happening to a servive provided for poor and needy.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

And this is NOT a rant

Yes it is.

[Doug P]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

Yes it is.

Indeed it is and it is also wrong....

[Gary L]

Dave is living Maggies legacy.
wanting to privatise everything. and then you got that thing coming around again where everyone is buying homes under the government.

which is going to fall flat on its face.

always the same Conservatives. destroy everyone and everything.

This is NOT a rant.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Doug P

Indeed it is and it is also wrong....

How unusual to find an ill founded rant from the OP.

The NHS will not be 'private' in 2015*

* which was the original premise of the OP before the title was amended to reflect some form of reality.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy:35644641

Yes it is and you're wrong on every count.

But trying to have a factual debate with you is as pointless as with Arthur.

Suffice to say that in 1979 the bodies were going un-buried, rubbish stewn the streets and strikes everywhere and the country was the "sick man of Europe" yet another Labour creation. After the next 18 years of Tory government the economy was booming, strikes were at a historic low and most people were considerably better off.

It took Labour to wreck a golden inheritance (again) by maxing out the state's credit card on a spend, spend, spend boom fuelled on borrowed money which is why we're where we are now.

As for the NHS, reform is vital as just going on as it is now is the way to disaster. Things HAVE to be done more efficiently as there will never be enough money to fund as much NHS as people seem to want. Those expectations have to be moderated.

Priorities will have to be made and trade offs: Do we fund boob jobs for women who are paranoid about cup size? IVF for those who already have children? or fund the next expensive breakthrough in cancer drugs.

Should the NHS concentrate on the truely sick rather than funding vanity proceedures?

These sorts of questions cannot be dodged, accusing the Tories of destroying the NHS is silly when they have funded real increases in expendature.

Agreed, good post

Don't let Arthur see it, it's full of factual information that doesn't need to contain a link and is valid.

[Stephen]

I have amended the title to something more appropriate as its not factual that it will happen.

[Taf]

I actually think that large chunks of the NHS will be privatised to outside companies as they can often give better value for money. But those parts that already have gone to exterior hands may be cheaper but don't maintain quality IMHO (catering for example).

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by alferret

Agreed, good post

Don't let Arthur see it, it's full of factual information that doesn't need to contain a link and is valid.

Actually I found it a gross simplification of history by hand picking "facts" to suit an agenda and ignoring vast swathes that don't.

I'm not sure about the nhs being privatised fully but it doesn't fill me with confidence when Ed boasts "we'll only privatise 35% of it" or whatever the figure was.

Interesting

http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/046274a2-47c...44feabdc0.html

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

http://news.sky.com/story/1167733/a-...o-tier-service

This to me is the first signs that the NHS will go private by the time of the elction.

The NHS cannot cope with the pressure that it is under. Since the Tories came to power, more and more hospitals have come under threat of closure.

Mr Cameron has said that he is pouring millions into the service, well maybe if he poured the money into the medical side and NOT the Admin side, this would ease the mounting pressure on such a delicate sector

It was stated yesterday that some hospitals are 150 nurses short on each section.

Each election year, the NHS is used as a pawn by all political parties to gain more votes, you cannot have that. The NHS is abused each day by patients with needless problems that can be dealt with by Gps or Pharmacists. BUT, all sections of the NHS is stretched to the limit.

But this is because of cutbacks by government. And this is NOT a rant, but the truth about what is happening to a servive provided for poor and needy.

Yet more bull excreta posted so the op can RANT yet again about the Tories

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Yet more bull excreta posted so the op can RANT yet again about the Tories

Yet more attacks on a person by yourself without adding anything to the discussion.

I fully expect many parts of the police and NHS will be outsourced over time to companies owned by rich friends of those in power.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Yet more attacks on a person by yourself without adding anything to the discussion.

I fully expect many parts of the police and NHS will be outsourced over time to companies owned by rich friends of those in power.

Some already are but that's not the same as saying the NHS will be private by 2015 which is where we started before Stephen kindly altered the thread title.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Oh l like this again my rant at the Tories - l hate them, every single Tory supporter in this country who voted for them, should be ashamed.

Where l live within a few miles - there are four hospitals that were on the Tory hit list for closure - Ealing, West Middlesex, Central Middx and Charing Cross.
Luckily West Middx and Ealing were saved. But this was to SAVE money.

The truth is that the Tories, want the NHS to be privatised and they are doing it by the back door - two years ago a PRIVATE company took over a hospital, and it couldn't be saved as the company couldn't afford to run it.

At the moment there are MORE admin staff running hospitals instead of medical staff. By putting the NHS in private hands would save the government billions. And by 2015 l believe that the Tories will make every attempt to do this.

Its true what some paper said that The Tories think of only one person - THEMSELF.

Members can say that l am ranting, but if there was a vote in the commons - EVERY Tory would vote, except those that would fly abroad - like IDS did yesterday on the bedroom tax vote.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Yet more attacks on a person by yourself without adding anything to the discussion.

I fully expect many parts of the police and NHS will be outsourced over time to companies owned by rich friends of those in power.

What is the point of debating the subject when the op never ever reads the links he tries to post, he just posts so much rubbish on here and all because he hates the Tories and likes to tell us that every day. ARTHUR we get it you hate the tories, now go do something worthwhile

Originally Posted by Qtx

Yet more attacks on a person by yourself without adding anything to the discussion.

I fully expect many parts of the police and NHS will be outsourced over time to companies owned by rich friends of those in power.

That's because Arthur talks rubbish and doesn't read the links he posts .What is being proposed is simply formalizing the existing A&E arrangement where some depts have more expertise than others which at the moment is more by luck than design .
Also why not have more qualified paramedics with the skill and the authority to treat a 90 yr old in the nursing home instead of taking him/her to A&E where they will most likely be sent back to the home the next day having wasted a bed all night ,what's wrong with treating minor cuts and scrapes at home rather than on a ward .I see nothing wrong with this idea which is incidentally being put forward by a cardiac surgeon and not something that has been thought up in a tea break by some pencil pusher who has no clue.
Arthur would do do well to actually read the article