30M Analyse my Ping Traceroute - Page 2

jimgors · 23-06-2012, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Lies. At times of low congestion you can get 10ms pings from Manchester just fine on VM. Swansea's closer so I see no reason why you couldn't, the only reason the OP's ping is so high is cause VM had the superb wisdom of routing traffic via their uber-slow Birmingham link.

Not all ISPs share VM's slow, fat pipe philosophy. BT for example get data from London to Birmingham 3-6x faster than VM

Yup, i wish for the Swansea - guilford - poplar... route again.. i had 12-14ms.................. now i get 19 MINIMUM

babis3g · 24-06-2012, 02:28

less than 10ms ping

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.246.94]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms BABIS-PC [0.0.0.0]
3 8 ms 8 ms 27 ms camd-geam-1a-ge131.network.virginmedia.net [81.9
7.255.9]
4 42 ms 112 ms 12 ms hari-core-1a-tenge71.network.virginmedia.net [62
.30.250.33]
5 9 ms 35 ms 8 ms hari-core-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.
182.178.165]
6 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms brnt-bb-1a-ae8-0.network.virginmedia.net [81.96.
16.201]
7 24 ms 9 ms 45 ms glfd-bb-1b-as1-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43
.163.105]
8 15 ms 59 ms 11 ms glfd-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.10
5.159.46]
9 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms tcl5-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.
185.78]
10 32 ms 38 ms 30 ms 212.58.239.249
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 36 ms 22 ms 59 ms ae0.er01.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.93]
13 22 ms 13 ms 13 ms 132.185.255.165
14 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms bbc-vip015.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [212.58.246.94]

Trace complete.

Sorry hijacking but by the way of the thread is these result (more) for tracert for VM
BAD/MEDIUM?GOOD?VERY GOOD????
thanks

Cammsy · 24-06-2012, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeeps

You're going to struggle to get a 10ms ping on any cable / DSL service.

Your results don't look bad. What problems are you seeing?

No problems, other than my ping being too slow to compete with other gamers. All top competitive players have pings of 5. My ping never goes below 20 and I need it to never go above 10.

MaverickJesus · 24-06-2012, 18:09

Could FTTC deliver less than 10ms pings consistently from Swansea to (say) London? I'm not convinced. It would be significantly better than VM though, one would imagine.

boroboi · 25-06-2012, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cammsy

No problems, other than my ping being too slow to compete with other gamers. All top competitive players have pings of 5. My ping never goes below 20 and I need it to never go above 10.

Well like Qasi said, you aren't going to get pings that low on game servers with any traditional ISP. (Virgin or DSL based isp on the BT network)

Top competitive gamers who are anal about latency will have leased lines or are lucky enough to use ISPs who serve only their local area with their own network and don't have to worry about hundreds of thousands of customers.

You just aren't going to get the sort of service you want unless you do the same.

craigj2k12 · 25-06-2012, 00:28

Be* fastpath used to give low results like this but they seem to have gone down the majorty route of overselling nowadays

qasdfdsaq · 25-06-2012, 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaverickJesus

Could FTTC deliver less than 10ms pings consistently from Swansea to (say) London? I'm not convinced. It would be significantly better than VM though, one would imagine.

Around or slightly under 10ms, yes. Significantly lower, no.

A good network will get data from London to Swansea in about 4-6ms. The latency of the FTTC hop itself is <4.7ms, so add that together you'd get <8.7ms ping in a best-case scenario. Don't have solid numbers for BT Infinity but last I checked Swansea was reached in ~5.5ms which plus the FTTC hop would give you a consistent ~10ms exactly.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boroboi

Well like Qasi said, you aren't going to get pings that low on game servers with any traditional ISP. (Virgin or DSL based isp on the BT network)

Actually BT do pretty well, and VM do too when routing is direct. North of the border (i.e. Scotland) both give about as low a latency as is going to happen on any ISP, mainly due to there being very little they can screw up this far north, there's just no other way for data to go.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

Be* fastpath used to give low results like this but they seem to have gone down the majorty route of overselling nowadays

Be* have started rebuilding their entire network from scratch. Hopefully this means we'll see improvements...

craigj2k12 · 25-06-2012, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Be* have started rebuilding their entire network from scratch. Hopefully this means we'll see improvements...

Yeah and reports are that it is worse than before

roughbeast · 25-06-2012, 13:56

This is a typical ping for me. To have any jitter is unusual on this connection.

I am probably lucky to have good line quality trouble-free over all, my issues with up load speed the other week not withstanding. Having said that I see some packet loss on the current graph.

During speed tests my ping is close to 20ms, but in IE9 it it usually lower <15ms. I guess we need to be aware that our own setup can influence ping tests.

jimgors · 25-06-2012, 14:02

I had ADSL1 BT line before moving to an area with Cable. I used adsl24 isp via BT 20cn network (connected to london i think)

I got between 15-16ms on adsl1

qasdfdsaq · 25-06-2012, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12

Yeah and reports are that it is worse than before

Lol fail. Thankfully I've already made everyone I know move over to Infinity.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roughbeast

During speed tests my ping is close to 20ms, but in IE9 it it usually lower <15ms. I guess we need to be aware that our own setup can influence ping tests.

More than just that, web-based (especially the flash based Speedtest.net) ping tests are highly inaccurate. Best way to get an indication of ping is using the ping command.

GazCBG · 25-06-2012, 15:48

I have a question about pings, so thought I would put it in here.

My brother he has VM 10Mb and his pings are around 17ms he has the hub, he is wireles.
I am on 100Mb and mine are around 32ms, I have the superhub, I am wired.

Can someone tell me why my pings are higher?
Just did a pingtest.net and my connection has got worse

The jitter has got some what worse, I always use to get A or A+

Chrysalis · 26-06-2012, 14:57

I remember posting my ukonline graph and people thought it was some expensive leased line

qasdfdsaq · 26-06-2012, 15:11

Kalleh's chart, as seen on qasdfdsaq.com/ping

Cammsy · 26-06-2012, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by boroboi

Well like Qasi said, you aren't going to get pings that low on game servers with any traditional ISP. (Virgin or DSL based isp on the BT network)

Top competitive gamers who are anal about latency will have leased lines or are lucky enough to use ISPs who serve only their local area with their own network and don't have to worry about hundreds of thousands of customers.

You just aren't going to get the sort of service you want unless you do the same.

Ok, could you give me some more information on "leased broadband lines", because it's the first i've heard of these, I understand though that businesses get leased lines. How would I go about finding a leased line in my area and i'm guessing cost per month will be extremely high? I don't mind spending though as this is really important to me, I need to fix this problem with ping/ latency.