Who's Brown listening to?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by hoggie

and the up side of that is, more donors


Osem. are you following in the footsteps of the press ?
The blame game,blame Brown for all the trouble .
if Cameron was in charge he would get the blame.
well Boris is mayor. lets blame him as well.

there are no answers, there is no way out of this.
if it was that easy we would all be walking about smiling

I don't need to follow anyone's footsteps and am more than able to work out for myself who's responsible and for what. I've never said the government is to blame for everything but being in government is supposed to be about solving problems NOT creating more of them and lying/cheating/spinning all along the way.

Bliar is now history thankfully but since Brown was Chancellor and now PM he's been at the helm or thereabouts since day one of New/Old/NearlyNew/Same Old Labour and as such the buck now stops with him.

As I've said almost ad nauseam, a change at the next election only guarantees one thing - the end of a pathetic shambles of a government not worthy of the name. Whilst that in itself won't solve all our problems it's a very good start.

[budwieser]

Right......... Quick recap on crime and punishment in our country today!
I can sort it out here and now.

People who commit a crime get punished.
People who fail to pay a bill or their Community charge, work something out with them. Let them pay, Realistically, what they can pay.
People on benefits and claim that they are jobseeking, offer them 2 jobs where the renumeration will give them a reasonable standard of living, ie no booze, drugs or fag money so they can pay the bills that matter and then take away their benefits if they refuse the jobs.
We need to get tougher on our policing as well. Anyone caught carrying a knife, 5 years hard labour. Anyone caught carrying a gun, whether it be a replica or not, 10 years Hard labour. Antisocial behaviour, 6 month`s Hard labour, no community service, ffs this does not work.!!!
No tolerance of crime, our courts have gone so soft!
If you commit a crime you know what you are doing, you are going to disrupt somebody`s life and try and take something that does not belong to you.
Get off your arse and go and earn it for yourself.

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

What exactly would a parenting test consist of i am dying to hear that one given that there are so many changeable circumstances that affect parenting it would have to be one hell of a test to cover half of it.

Wouldn’t be too difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff, enough material has been written on the subject.
Most animals seem to manage the job easily enough, which makes you question the intelligence of some parents or perhaps animals spend more quality time with their offsprings.

Most parents would love to spend more time with their offspring but are unable too as they have to work to pay the ever increasing bills in this country. Even when parents spend time with their kids it is no gaurantee that everything will work out fine. Make authority exactly that and show kids that it has real power and you will quickly see a change of attitude amongst the troublemakers in todays youth. Lets be honest if your a little thug in modern day britain what the hell do you have to be worried about even if you do get caught apart from maybe greater chance of rsa due to extended playstation playing hours in a young offenders institute.

[Osem]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7401982.stm

Well this is good news but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. There was a great deal of reader comment posted on a local newspaper website (since removed) which indicated that the attacker was well known although it's still not clear if they are one and the same person. Quite why the police didn't release any details of the assailant after the attack though is beyond me but Derek S might be able to shed some light on that...

[BBKing]

When is this Government going to get a grip of serious crime like this ?

Murders in London:

2005/6 - 168
2006/7 - 162
2007/8 - 156

By comparison

Murders in New York (slightly larger population than London)
2006 - 921

What was that about getting a grip? What part of 'inventing lots of new offences, hiring thousands of police, spending fortune on policing, taking sentencing policy out of the hands of judges and into a politically appointed quango and locking thousands more people up for longer' doesn't meet all the usual kneejerk requirements for 'getting a grip'? When will people stop making political capital by distorting and misleading people? Why do we constantly hear people point to New York as an example*? Why don't we hear from the newspapers that spent the year trumpeting about a 'wave' of killings in London when the figures prove that there wasn't a wave at all? Why am I going to get slated for being 'insensitive' for trying to bring rationality into stupid faux-emotional arguments? Answers on a postcard, please, to:

'I don't give a toss about the truth but I'm scared and want someone who looks different from me to suffer',
c/o The Sun,
Wapping,
Lies.

* Yes, murders are down a hell of a lot in the Big Apple, no that doesn't make it a role model. Same is true of Baghdad, after all. Mind you, some people are probably far enough unhinged into tabloid world to support sealing off of areas of London with concrete walls and sending in the Army.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Murders in London:

2005/6 - 168
2006/7 - 162
2007/8 - 156

By comparison

Murders in New York (slightly larger population than London)
2006 - 921

What was that about getting a grip? What part of 'inventing lots of new offences, hiring thousands of police, spending fortune on policing, taking sentencing policy out of the hands of judges and into a politically appointed quango and locking thousands more people up for longer' doesn't meet all the usual kneejerk requirements for 'getting a grip'? When will people stop making political capital by distorting and misleading people? Why do we constantly hear people point to New York as an example*? Why don't we hear from the newspapers that spent the year trumpeting about a 'wave' of killings in London when the figures prove that there wasn't a wave at all? Why am I going to get slated for being 'insensitive' for trying to bring rationality into stupid faux-emotional arguments? Answers on a postcard, please, to:

'I don't give a toss about the truth but I'm scared and want someone who looks different from me to suffer',
c/o The Sun,
Wapping,
Lies.

* Yes, murders are down a hell of a lot in the Big Apple, no that doesn't make it a role model. Same is true of Baghdad, after all. Mind you, some people are probably far enough unhinged into tabloid world to support sealing off of areas of London with concrete walls and sending in the Army.

Well perhaps my definition of getting a grip is a bit different from that of the Sun's (you evidently spend far more of your time reading that rag than I've ever done) and being scared of a situation or appalled by it are totally different things. None of the above constitutes getting a grip when the figures are still as high as they are and people are being killed almost at the drop of a hat for doing not very much at all. Comparisons with New York or anywhere else for that matter don't alter the fact that our glorious leaders have so far proved themselves unable or unwilling to tackle this problem.

Poor Gordon, he's hardly any nails left.