Who's Brown listening to?

[Osem]

Not the families of victims like this that's for sure:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7395775.stm

When is this Government going to get a grip of serious crime like this ?

[Hom3r]

The voices in his head "put taxes up, fuel duty go up"

Osem for most of us this latest tradegy has come as no surprise but as far as our government is concerned the tax is still coming in so anything else is secondary. Brown hasn't, doesn't and will not listen to anyone other then himself because gordon truly believes he knows best and he knows how to do it and nothing will come between him and that delusion. I am more and more seeing GB as the modern day nero and await news that he has taken up fiddle lessons soon.

[frogstamper]

Recently I have lost a fair bit of faith in Brown, but Osem you hardly come at this from a neutral point, this is one ofmany anti-Brown, anti-Labour posts, I honestly do not know what you think Brown, or for that matter Cameron can do to stop these wicked random killings. To make progress against these types of "people" is going to be a generational project, a lot of them come from homes without any aspiration's a total lack of respect for anybody but themselves and an attitude that the world owes them a living. So to make a statement that Browns not listening to people who have lost their children to murder is puerile, as Ive stated earlier his not my choice at present and I doubt very much Id vote for him at the next election, but Id not make a comment like that about any politician.

This country is on it's arris in a big way, it needs sorting and it needs sorting now.

What happend on Saturday morning outside that Bakery was brutal, I watched his mother on GMTV yesterday morning saying that she felt for the parents of the killers, this woman had just lost her son.

The killing of Jimmy Mizen at a bakery shop in south-east London brings to 13 the number of teenagers killed in the capital this year.

Timeline: London teen killings

[Osem]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Recently I have lost a fair bit of faith in Brown, but Osem you hardly come at this from a neutral point, this is one ofmany anti-Brown, anti-Labour posts, I honestly do not know what you think Brown, or for that matter Cameron can do to stop these wicked random killings. To make progress against these types of "people" is going to be a generational project, a lot of them come from homes without any aspiration's a total lack of respect for anybody but themselves and an attitude that the world owes them a living. So to make a statement that Browns not listening to people who have lost their children to murder is puerile, as Ive stated earlier his not my choice at present and I doubt very much Id vote for him at the next election, but Id not make a comment like that about any politician.

Anti government? Well possibly that's because we only have one government at any given time don't we and we don't get terribly far harping on about the last lot like Bliar and Brown have done ever since they took power. Given that this lot have been in power since 1997 and having got there on a series of promises like "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime", they're largely the ones in the firing line for the mess we're in. You clearly haven't been reading my posts properly for if you had you'd know that for me it doesn't matter what colour rosettes politicians wear on their lapels - unlike far too many folk I've never been one to vote out of habit or blind loyalty and I don't intend to change that policy. Far from being a Tory as you seem to imply I have yet to make up my mind who is going to get my vote at the next election but when we have a new government and they cock up on as large a scale as this mottley crew have you can expect me to be just as hard on them!

You imply that Brown is listening well perhaps you can give us all some examples of how he's done that. How much has he listened to the families of all those young people who've been killed. To my recollection the last victims they listened to were the Lawrence family. IMHO, the only time Brown has listened to people is when his job has been on the line or his own party, including thoroughly honourable MP's like Frank Field, have forced him to.

As for the rest of your post well you are correct in part but wrong to the extent that governments ARE responsible for making the laws and setting the standards by which our society should operate. They have failed to do that and rather than building the foundations for your so called 'generational' tackling of this issue, they've further undermined the value of the traditional family, eroded the rights of parents, teachers etc. and presided over a decade during which many young people have totally lost respect for figures of authority and there's been ever increasing violence amongst them. Excuse me for not patting them on the back.

And when another party gets voted into No.10, they'll do the same thing and blame the previous occupants. I've witnessed it all before, when Thatchers lot had power for about 16 years! Why do some people think things will be any different once some other gangsters take power?

Whatever they promise to do once in charge, goes out the window with excusses like, well, "we're going to have to reconcider the promisses we made, because firstly, we have to sort out the previous parties mess." And this will go on forever.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Enuff

And when another party gets voted into No.10, they'll do the same thing and blame the previous occupants. I've witnessed it all before, when Thatchers lot had power for about 16 years! Why do some people think things will be any different once some other gangsters take power?

Whatever they promise to do once in charge, goes out the window with excusses like, well, "we're going to have to reconcider the promisses we made, because firstly, we have to sort out the previous parties mess." And this will go on forever.

Sadly that could be true but it's no reason either to abstain from voting or to vote for the current lot again. The least we can do is to give power to those who seem to be offering solutions to the problems we face as opposed to those whose lies, spin and abject failure are all too apparent.

[tweetypie/8]

Originally Posted by Enuff

And when another party gets voted into No.10, they'll do the same thing and blame the previous occupants. I've witnessed it all before, when Thatchers lot had power for about 16 years! Why do some people think things will be any different once some other gangsters take power?

Whatever they promise to do once in charge, goes out the window with excusses like, well, "we're going to have to reconcider the promisses we made, because firstly, we have to sort out the previous parties mess." And this will go on forever.

i have to agree 100% with what you say enuff,things aint going to be any different no matter who gets in,sad isnt it ?.

Frogstamper people like me and Osem are annoyed with this government as they are the ones that have presided over a decade of increasing violence in our society while massaging the figures to make it look a lot better then it is. Brown only gives a rats about how he keeps a job that is too much for him and he is incapable of doing to any level that will benefit this country.

I am sick of seeing this "blame the parents" crap all the time as this government has done more to remove parental rights while moving the onus of rights onto a youth that is unable to use them responsibly. It is a minority of the youth that is a problem but as long as that minority exists and keeps getting away with it thanks to apologists making all the excuses under the sun for them it grows in number and gets more blatant as we are now seeing.

How do we solve the problem i don't know but i do know what we are doing now is patently not working and we need someone who is big enough to step back take another look and consider something new that person is not and never will be gordon brown who is completely blind to anything but his own ideas. Enuff you might be right but what are you suggesting that we stop trying and then do what exactly.

[slowcoach]

The answer is simple, allow teenagers to ride a moped without having to pass a test and make people have to pass a test before they can have children.
The result would be a cut in pollution, lower oil imports and less hooligans being born.

I should have been a politician.

What exactly would a parenting test consist of i am dying to hear that one given that there are so many changeable circumstances that affect parenting it would have to be one hell of a test to cover half of it.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Osem

When is this Government going to get a grip of serious crime like this ?

Well they might with the new sentencing guidelines for Magistrates Courts.

*1 quick scan later*

Nah on second thoughts maybe not.

[hoggie]

Originally Posted by slowcoach

The answer is simple, allow teenagers to ride a moped without having to pass a test

and the up side of that is, more donors


Osem. are you following in the footsteps of the press ?
The blame game,blame Brown for all the trouble .
if Cameron was in charge he would get the blame.
well Boris is mayor. lets blame him as well.

there are no answers, there is no way out of this.
if it was that easy we would all be walking about smiling