Payouts for early-release prisoners

Originally Posted by Russ B

I suppose we should be grateful that the "lock'em up and throw away the key" gang aren't in control of the country - think about how much cash would be given out then.

so are you one of the "Let them out and compensate them gang then" ? Me i want to see someone who has been sent to jail for a reason do his or her sentence and not be released early with a compensation payment which is what this in my opinion.

If we did not spend as much on killing brown people with Oil we might be able to build the jails we need.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Bill C

so are you one of the "Let them out and compensate them gang then" ? Me i want to see someone who has been sent to jail for a reason do his or her sentence and not be released early with a compensation payment which is what this in my opinion.

If we did not spend as much on killing brown people with Oil we might be able to build the jails we need.

So when a prisoner is released on time and goes and signs on, is that compensation as well, perhaps if the Labour government hadn't been banging more and more people up for crimes that never used to be considered worthy of a custodial sentence, without building more prisons, we wouldn't be in this mess but considering the exact same thing happened under a conservative government I wouldn't be so sure

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Bill C

so are you one of the "Let them out and compensate them gang then" ?

No, I'm one of the "locking them up doesn't always work" gang.

You should avoid Jail is as many cases as possible where the person is not a danger to the public. A jail sentence is a place were you meet other criminals and get your future propects cut, both of which can lead to more crime as well as being expensive to the country.

[Osem]

FGS! In another thread

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...-absconds.html

I alluded to Bliar's get out of jail free card. Well now it seems it's get out of jail free and have have some taxpayers cash too!

it could be funded by charging innocent prisoners for board & lodge when they are pardoned ....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1517215.ece

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Calling it 'compensation' sounds like a cheap tabloid headline to me, what are prisoners expected to live on upon release, lets give them a chance to sort their lives out and if they screw it up they have no one to blame but themselves

So we should pay them once they are let out? They screwed up once already, thats why they were in jail!......and we should pay them for that?!

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Are people objecting to early release prisoners being given an alternative to crime?

I'm objecting to prisoners being paid to not be in jail! What is this? Christmas?!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

So we should pay them once they are let out? They screwed up once already, thats why they were in jail!......and we should pay them for that?!

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I'm objecting to prisoners being paid to not be in jail! What is this? Christmas?!

No we should pay them because they aren't entitled to social security, personally I don't want them turning up in court trying to excuse re offending due to being released from prison with no means to support themselves

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No we should pay them because they aren't entitled to social security, personally I don't want them turning up in court with excuses

Are ex prisoners not entitled to the doll? I didn't know that
Thats terrible! How the hell are they meant to support themselves till they get a job?!

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Originally Posted by homealone

it could be funded by charging innocent prisoners for board & lodge when they are pardoned ....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1517215.ece

Three men who spent years in jail because of miscarriages of justice must pay “living expenses� for the time they spent behind bars, the law lords ruled yesterday.

By four to one, the judges decided that, although the men were wrongfully jailed, they must forgo 25 per cent of their compensation.

Thats f*cked up!!

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats f*cked up!!

they made the mistake of being innocent - whereas if you are not only guilty, but an heroin addict, as well, you can get compensation for not being provided with drugs ...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6142416.stm



Something is wrong with our criminal 'justice' system & I think we should be seriously looking at using prison only as a last resort, for people who need to be segregated because they are a danger to society. Not so they can be 'punished'.

In the meantime, some kind of workable community based solution will need to be established, as imo it is better to deal with the problem at its source - for example, if the attitude towards, so called 'petty' crime, like buying cheap booze & baccy & 'dodgy' DVDs was different. If people didn't turn a blind eye to stuff they pick up at pawnbrokers & boot sales, etc, etc, etc

- then maybe we could start to turn things round???

- exits singing about little fluffy clouds

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Are ex prisoners not entitled to the doll? I didn't know that
Thats terrible! How the hell are they meant to support themselves till they get a job?!

Well this lot now are getting up to £172 to cover them until they can sign on.
It shows how close most of them are to being released anyway, and probably saves money as I'm pretty sure it costs more to keep them in prison.

My only concern is what sort of prisoners are being released early. We have had the bs off this government before about only "prisoners that pose no threat being released" and they then released murderers, rapists and paedophiles. Build more prisons and toughen up the justice system so that those who really belong in prison go there for the maximum time possible.

As for them being paid money because they can't claim benefit is it that hard to give them an official letter to hand in at the jobcentre. Seems another case of lazyass government to me.

[Xaccers]

I believe its those due to be released soon anyway, so they're not saying "Hey Killer, forget about the next 20 years you're due to serve, you can go now"
Course as you say, this all relies on them getting it right...