Networking question

[MadGamer]

Just had another thought, would i have to buy a Wireless Acess Point Adapter?

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Millay

I'll give you £20 if you can show me proof of a wirless netowrk transfering data at that speed

It's the theoretical maximum speed of a g WLAN obviously the actual speed will be different...
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Originally Posted by Wayne A

Just had another thought, would i have to buy a Wireless Acess Point Adapter?

All you need is a wireless modem/router plus a wireless network card for each PC (either PCI, PCMCIA or USB depending on what your requirements are )

[MadGamer]

Originally Posted by nffc

It's the theoretical maximum speed of a g WLAN obviously the actual speed will be different...
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All you need is a wireless modem/router plus a wireless network card for each PC (either PCI, PCMCIA or USB depending on what your requirements are )

ok and obviously cat5 crossover cable which i can also get from PC World?

[nffc]

only if you wanna use 10/100 as well as the wireless... and patch rather than crossover if you're not connecting 2 PCs to each other...

[Dave Stones]

Originally Posted by Wayne A

ok and obviously cat5 crossover cable which i can also get from PC World?

if you want to throw your money away. cable universe has them for abuot £1. fail to see why you would need a crossover anyway...

oh and whoever is dishing out crisp new £20 notes... at the moment i am encoding all my dvds to .iso, and then sending the .iso files to my external hard drive, connected to my laptop. the main pc is 100mbps network card, and laptop is 54mbps wireless. it takes almost dead on 15 minutes to transfer the 4.5gb file, so ner can i have my £20?

[MadGamer]

Ok, so im connecting the 2 PC's i have got together and would just need the router and standard cable?
About the woreless network cards, do they have to be the same make an model in each machine? Would i also need a wireless access point?

[Dave Stones]

i use a linksys 54g router and a d-link laptop adapter

its a standard, anything will work

[Millay]

Originally Posted by Dave Stones

if you want to throw your money away. cable universe has them for abuot £1. fail to see why you would need a crossover anyway...

oh and whoever is dishing out crisp new £20 notes... at the moment i am encoding all my dvds to .iso, and then sending the .iso files to my external hard drive, connected to my laptop. the main pc is 100mbps network card, and laptop is 54mbps wireless. it takes almost dead on 15 minutes to transfer the 4.5gb file, so ner can i have my £20?

Sorry Dave, but it has to be in 11 minutes.. 15 is just to slow...

[Dave Stones]

Originally Posted by Millay

Sorry Dave, but it has to be in 11 minutes.. 15 is just to slow...

well that is under ideal situations.... mine is a real world test

running through to an external hard drive from a secondary internal drive on a different computer will obviously cause some backlog

[MovedGoalPosts]

OK, you are building a desktop PC to replace an existing desktop. Once you have transferred the data from the existing desktop are you going to keep the old one and still use it, or get rid of it.

Are there any other PCs in the house.

At the moment your desktop is directly connected, by wire, to the broadband phone point, and has an integral ADSL modem. Unless you are going to move the desktop around to other rooms that don't have a wired connection (and there is no practical way of running a wire), you don't need the added expense (and setup issues) of wireless. If you are only going to have one PC you don't need a router (although they can offer some security advantages, such as a hardware firewall).

If your old PC is only going to get occasional use, then it might be cheaper to connect that to the new one via Internet Connection Sharing (ICS), wired, than run to the expense of a router.

If you are going to regularly use two PCs then a router is the best way forward. You only need wireless though if there is no easy way of getting wires to the fixed desktop position. If you do need wireless then most wireless routers include the ability for up to 4 wired PC connections in addition to the wireless. More correctly these wireless routers are called "wireless access point routers".

If you get a router, for wired connection, all you will need is a standard ethernet network card (PCI) for your PC. If you want to use ICS then you need two network cards. Many modern motherboards will include at least one network card connection. Some motherboards include wireless adaptors too.

If you are going down the wireless route, you will need either a wireless adaptor card (or on board wireless adaptor) for the PC, or a network card attached to an external wireless Bridge. Be carefull with the termiology here as access pioints and bridges are different things.

I would not recommend you use a wireless device that relies on USB to connect to the PC. As many have said eleswhere, USB relies on the computer resources generally to operate, whereas dedicated hardware like a proper card is less depandant on the main CPU so there can be better performance. For the small extra cost of a dedicated card network or wireless network adaptor, it make sense to take tha option.

Whatever happens, unless you reuse your existing internal ADSL modem (and there is no reason why you should not, unless it is integrated to the PC), or buy an euivalent internal modem, you will need to get a standalone one or one that is integrated with a router. The router integrated, can be cheaper, and more convenient, but if there is any future possibility of your going cable, and ADSL router would be incompatible.

No disrespect intended, but I'm worried you are just jumping on a bandwagon or wireless and routers for the sake of it, rather than haveing any real need for either.

[MadGamer]

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts

OK, you are building a desktop PC to replace an existing desktop. Once you have transferred the data from the existing desktop are you going to keep the old one and still use it, or get rid of it.

Are there any other PCs in the house.

At the moment your desktop is directly connected, by wire, to the broadband phone point, and has an integral ADSL modem. Unless you are going to move the desktop around to other rooms that don't have a wired connection (and there is no practical way of running a wire), you don't need the added expense (and setup issues) of wireless. If you are only going to have one PC you don't need a router (although they can offer some security advantages, such as a hardware firewall).

If your old PC is only going to get occasional use, then it might be cheaper to connect that to the new one via Internet Connection Sharing (ICS), wired, than run to the expense of a router.

If you are going to regularly use two PCs then a router is the best way forward. You only need wireless though if there is no easy way of getting wires to the fixed desktop position. If you do need wireless then most wireless routers include the ability for up to 4 wired PC connections in addition to the wireless. More correctly these wireless routers are called "wireless access point routers".

If you get a router, for wired connection, all you will need is a standard ethernet network card (PCI) for your PC. If you want to use ICS then you need two network cards. Many modern motherboards will include at least one network card connection. Some motherboards include wireless adaptors too.

If you are going down the wireless route, you will need either a wireless adaptor card (or on board wireless adaptor) for the PC, or a network card attached to an external wireless Bridge. Be carefull with the termiology here as access pioints and bridges are different things.

I would not recommend you use a wireless device that relies on USB to connect to the PC. As many have said eleswhere, USB relies on the computer resources generally to operate, whereas dedicated hardware like a proper card is less depandant on the main CPU so there can be better performance. For the small extra cost of a dedicated card network or wireless network adaptor, it make sense to take tha option.

Whatever happens, unless you reuse your existing internal ADSL modem (and there is no reason why you should not, unless it is integrated to the PC), or buy an euivalent internal modem, you will need to get a standalone one or one that is integrated with a router. The router integrated, can be cheaper, and more convenient, but if there is any future possibility of your going cable, and ADSL router would be incompatible.

No disrespect intended, but I'm worried you are just jumping on a bandwagon or wireless and routers for the sake of it, rather than haveing any real need for either.

Let me explain. I have the current PC which i am using at the moment. I intend to keep this one, im having another built for my use so that my parents can use this one. I want to wirelessly connect them both as my PC is going to be upstairs in my room and the current one is staying in our study. Im on AOL BB at the moment which is being provided through an external ADSL modem (BT Voyager 105), however when i move back to Demon i have an internal PCI ADSL modem that i will be using. I want to know what is the best way to network these two PC's. I will use the router via ethernet, and do the wireless cards that are going to be in both PC's have to be the same make/model? Also the PC's will get used on a regular basis.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Wayne A

Let me explain. I have the current PC which i am using at the moment. I intend to keep this one, im having another built for my use so that my parents can use this one. I want to wirelessly connect them both as my PC is going to be upstairs in my room and the current one is staying in our study. Im on AOL BB at the moment which is being provided through an external ADSL modem (BT Voyager 105), however when i move back to Demon i have an internal PCI ADSL modem that i will be using. I want to know what is the best way to network these two PC's. I will use the router via ethernet, and do the wireless cards that are going to be in both PC's have to be the same make/model? Also the PC's will get used on a regular basis.

at last some sense , a wireless router at your machine and either an ethernet connection to your machine and a wireless card in the other or two wirless cards , simple really , i suspect the cards dont need to be the same make , although i have read that better results are obtained from getting matched kit

[MadGamer]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

at last some sense , a wireless router at your machine and either an ethernet connection to your machine and a wireless card in the other or two wirless cards , simple really , i suspect the cards dont need to be the same make , although i have read that better results are obtained from getting matched kit

Let me see if i understand you:

My PC
Wireless Router >>>> ethernet cable into wireless network card >>> another cable from router leading downstairs into second wireless card in 2nd PC?

[Dave Stones]

Originally Posted by Wayne A

Let me see if i understand you:

My PC
Wireless Router >>>> ethernet cable into wireless network card >>> another cable from router leading downstairs into second wireless card in 2nd PC?

the idea of a wireless network card is that it is wireless, hence it doesn't have wires going to it

[MadGamer]

Originally Posted by Dave Stones

the idea of a wireless network card is that it is wireless, hence it doesn't have wires going to it

I dont understand. Could someone put it in simple steps in the correct way like i have so that i understand?