[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Must be why Bill Gates gave over 3 billion dollars to charity, and why he is trying to eradicate malaria - pure selfishness...

trying to buy his way into Devon

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think some are in danger of internal combustion and disappearing up their own paranoid backsides...

Chillout, Brussels is a lovely city, with lovely people, the EU isn't perfect but isn't the 4th Reich. The economic argument has been won, which is the main argument which really affects most peoples votes. Even Gove had no answer this week when asked to name any economists supporting Brexit.

Here you go:link
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Just 'cos he couldn't name any off the top of his head dosen't mean that they don'e exist.

and, no, the economic argument hasn't been won.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So the top secret conspiracy holds an annual meeting that is well-publicised and everyone knows who attends...

Cognitive dissonance, much?

But what is discussed is secret. Top bankers, politicians, world leaders discussing things in private. That's really healthy for democracy.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Must be why Bill Gates gave over 3 billion dollars to charity, and why he is trying to eradicate malaria - pure selfishness...

Or it could be why countless other gazillionaires have done the opposite.

Not to mention all the bent politicians, industrialists, media moguls, etc. who've said one thing and done the other. Still yes I suppose it's truly outlandish to suggest there might be an ulterior motive which involves looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's.

[passingbat]

David Rockefeller's 1991 Bilderberg
Quote...Ten Years Later

11-21-1
Quote: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."

He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

-- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle

http://www.rense.com/general17/quote.htm

Don't remember if it's been mentioned before but www.economistsforbrexit.co.uk have a rebuttal for the lse and treasury forecasts and from a layman's position they seem to make valid points. If those with a better understanding have comments I'd be interested in them but clearly not everyone views brexit as a guaranteed economic disaster.

[Big Brian]

So DC says £1000 could be added to mortgages if we leave the EU, How? This is more like the truth when it comes to what could happen if we leave:

European Union exit could make British households £933 richer

Lower taxes, cheaper food and clothes -- these are just some of benefits of life outside the EU

This from a year ago:


The typical British household would be almost £1,000 a year better off if Britain is forced to leave the European Union, a new analysis has shown.


British businesses trading with the EU would also be no worse off outside the EU’s free-trade agreement because the Government would save enough money on membership fees to compensate exporters for the higher tariffs they might face.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...33-richer.html

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The way things are going, after the vote. We will be looking at an October Election, as DC wont survive.

And the knives are out for Corbyn, which is good. I voted for Burnham.

Why would there be an election if Cameron doesn't survive ? all the Tories would do is elect another leader

[papa smurf]

Michael Gove and Boris Johnson tell David Cameron: You've deceived public on economy

Voters “cannot trust” David Cameron and George Osborne to honour their promises on Europe, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson have warned in an extraordinary attack on their government colleagues.

The leaders of the Vote Leave campaign declare that the Prime Minister has put the British economy in “severe danger” by giving away the UK’s veto during talks in Brussels earlier this year.

They say Mr Cameron’s renegotiation of Britain’s European Union membership leaves Britain “dangerously and permanently exposed” to being forced to hand over more money and accept “damaging new laws”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ouve-deceived/

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think some are in danger of internal combustion and disappearing up their own paranoid backsides...

Chillout, Brussels is a lovely city, with lovely people, the EU isn't perfect but isn't the 4th Reich. The economic argument has been won, which is the main argument which really affects most peoples votes. Even Gove had no answer this week when asked to name any economists supporting Brexit.

How has the economic argument been won ?

I really don't think most people will base their vote on the economics of leaving,most people will base their vote on less immigration and a return of sovereignty .The vast majority of voters are just ordinary people who have seen the NHS ruined by immigration ,local housing used by immigrants and local schools full to bursting with immigrants children ,that is what they will vote on ,not how GDP will be affected or whether or not we will be able to negotiate free trade deals .What the remain campaign have failed to grasp is the overwhelming desire by the general public for big change in the way the country is run

Here's a few of those leading economists for brexit you say don't exist

Economists for Brexit

Alistare Darling getting savaged by a leading Brexit economist

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Currently watching John Major on The Andrew Marr show ,if ever there was a reason to vote for leaving it's because that twonk supports remain

[Gary L]

But then some people will vote to stay in if they're told that being out will cost them an extra 5p on a pkt cigs. and a 1p rise on petrol.

Originally Posted by Gary L

But then some people will vote to stay in if they're told that being out will cost them an extra 5p on a pkt cigs. and a 1p rise on petrol.

Yes because ciggies and petrol never go up because we are in the EU .

Most people are pragmatic and realise that there could be a hit financially on leaving the EU just the same as there could not be a hit financially on leaving the EU

[Gavin78]

It makes me laugh how DC has also focused on the fact that house prices will drop by 20% which doesn't really matter if you are a first time buyer or you are selling your house to move into another house the 20% will be across the board so won't affect anyone in that respect.

The only people that stand to lose anything is selling property for ££ they could be 20% worse off. I still don't look at it as a bad thing as you are more liable to buy it if its cheaper

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Gary L

But then some people will vote to stay in if they're told that being out will cost them an extra 5p on a pkt cigs. and a 1p rise on petrol.

Why would it cost more? Fags, yeah I can see that as the Government want the tax but fuel? Why would that cost more? We don't get it from the EU.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

It makes me laugh how DC has also focused on the fact that house prices will drop by 20% which doesn't really matter if you are a first time buyer or you are selling your house to move into another house the 20% will be across the board so won't affect anyone in that respect.

The only people that stand to lose anything is selling property for ££ they could be 20% worse off. I still don't look at it as a bad thing as you are more liable to buy it if its cheaper

But he's saying today mortgages could cost £1000 more. Will he make up his mind?

Gove has said we wouldn't leave the EU by the end of the Parliament (2020) so this is going to drag on for years (presumably Gove is trying to make it seem risk-free). Additionally tomorrow is going to have a poll showing a big lead for Leave apparently.