Junior Doctors Prepare For First Full Walk-Out

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

For me it's about the blatent lies hunts told, the dodgy reports he's wheeled out that will be exposed in court with a little luck. This country, sit on the floor of a train and all hell breaks loose but mishandle something as important as the health service and no one bats an eye lid, unless of course you're a now cheesed of member of staff or a terrified patient.

Yeah.........but it's about pay.

[Chrysalis]

Didnt the boss of the union quit as he even was disgusted with the vote result of the new contract?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

http://news.sky.com/story/majority-b...rikes-10562560

Even though Junior Doctors have imposed further and longer strikes. I still support them.

What we have here is a Government, who wants to impose longer hours on Drs, especially Juniors. And will make Consultants who are probably are on six figures, to pull there fingers out and help there colleagues

Hospitals are overstretched as it is. A very dear friend of mine is in hospital and has been told he has Cancer. And the chances of survival are minimal. The Nursing/ Drs surrounding him are marvellous.

I have actually told them they deserve Double money. Remember, these Drs are saving lives. Not pen pushers from Whitehall or local authorities. Who sit and give out orders.

What Theresa ay has to do is SACK the Health Secretary, sit down with these Junior Doctors and sort this matter out. Listen to there grievances. And then deal with it.

They have my 100% support

[nomadking]

Longer hours?

Maximum average 48 hour working week (reduced from 56) with doctors who opt out of the WTR capped at maximum average of 56 working hours per week.Maximum 72 hours’ work in any seven day period (reduced from 91).Maximum shift length of 13 hours (reduced from 14 hours).
Maximum of five consecutive long (>10 hours) shifts (reduced from seven) with minimum 48 hours rest after a run of five consecutive long shifts (up from 11 hours rest).
Maximum of four consecutive night shifts (reduced from seven) with minimum 46 hours rest after a run of either three or four consecutive night shifts (up from 11 hours rest).
Maximum of four consecutive long, late evening shifts (>10 hours finishing after 11pm) with minimum 48 hours rest after four consecutive long, late evening shifts (up from 11 hours rest).

Overall average earnings are expected to remain the same and individual pay will be more predictable and less variable between placements. Doctors will be paid more accurately for actual work done, with an increase in basic pensionable pay, additional pay for additional rostered hours, enhanced rates for unsocial hours, allowances for weekend working, on-call availability supplements for those required to be on-call, pay for anticipated work done whilst on-call and (where appropriate) flexible pay premia.
Some doctors may require transitional pay protection to maintain their level of pay under the 2002 new deal arrangements (protected at the level of banding for their current post as it was on 31 October 2015 excluding band 3). These are likely to include those on working patterns which were unfairly advantaged under the new deal banding system (e.g. those receiving a band 1B supplement for a 42.5 hour week in which all hours of work fall between 9am-5.30pm Monday to Friday), as well as those doctors whose current basic salary is significantly out of line with their current level of training, perhaps as a result of switching training programmes or training less than full time. These examples represent an inherent unfairness in the new deal contract that the 2016 contract seeks to rectify going forward.

Same or more pay for less hours and better rest periods.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Longer hours?



Same or more pay for less hours and better rest periods.

Hunts lied all the way through, what makes you think this contract is worth the paper it's written on, shorter hours but with no extra staff and two extra days to cover, you do the maths and as much as I support anyone's right to withdraw labour I hope we would never hear of a doctor leaving a patient in need of treatment because they'd gone over hours

Interesting....

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...ract-wpzxxjq9r

The junior doctor who is leading the most disruptive strikes in NHS history previously praised the contract she is fighting against as “safe” and “fair”, it can be revealed.

Ellen McCourt, who said that doctors had been left with no choice but to stage walkouts in protest at the “catastrophic” working contract, championed the deal three-and-a-half months ago.

Her comments emerged as NHS bosses warned for the first time that hospitals cannot cope and said the strikes would be dangerous. A five-day strike is planned to start on September 12, with walkouts every month until the end of the year, totalling 20 days.

Dr McCourt, the British Medical Association’s junior doctor leader who co-led negotiations with the government, supported the revised contract in an interview in May. “We have managed to reach an agreement on a contract that we believe is safe for both patients and doctors, and is also fair for junior doctors,” she told PM on Radio 4.

Praising the “really good package of things for equalities”, Dr McCourt said the revised contract was “safer for our patients, and it is also safer for our junior doctors”. The revelation will be an embarrassment for Dr McCourt as gender inequality of the new contract has been one of her key justifications for strike action.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hunts lied all the way through, what makes you think this contract is worth the paper it's written on, shorter hours but with no extra staff and two extra days to cover, you do the maths and as much as I support anyone's right to withdraw labour I hope we would never hear of a doctor leaving a patient in need of treatment because they'd gone over hours

The new contract DOES NOT implement 7 days working. That is a matter for EACH hospital when and where it can deliver it. Let's assume for the sake of your ridiculous and spurious argument that shorter hours won't happen. Why would that matter according to them as the CURRENT/OLD hours are longer anyway. According to the banners, the junior doctors already work weekends. That is in part what they are complaining about.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Interesting....

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...ract-wpzxxjq9r

Yes ,Dr Ellen McCourt ,she just makes stuff up as she goes along .She was on the BBC yesterday morning and when told that her figure of 98% of Dr's had voted to strike was a false claim and in reality only around 46% of Dr's balloted voted to strike she just kept repeating "the vast majority of Dr's support the strikes" .The truth is the BMA only balloted members who were affected by the contract ,they didn't ballot all their members ,they only balloted 37,000 ,it should be pointed out that there are upto 20,000 junior Dr's not in the BMA who's opinion is not known
There are also 9000 members who did not vote even though they where balloted

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The new contract DOES NOT implement 7 days working. That is a matter for EACH hospital when and where it can deliver it. Let's assume for the sake of your ridiculous and spurious argument that shorter hours won't happen. Why would that matter according to them as the CURRENT/OLD hours are longer anyway. According to the banners, the junior doctors already work weekends. That is in part what they are complaining about.

Why change it at all then if it's going to be the same

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Interesting....

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...ract-wpzxxjq9r

Could be the only reason she supported the deal was because she thought it the best they were going to get, the members thought different. It's quite good in a way as it proves the doctors weren't being led by the nose into strikes by a militant union

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why change it at all then if it's going to be the same

"going to be the same" Anyone would think the they've spent the past 3 years just talking about Saturday pay.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Members will NOT like what l am going to say.
I have been at West Middlesex Hospital for the past 4 days, with a neighbour who is dying of Cancer.
While l was there, l was shocked that there were only a couple of Drs on duty. Spoke with a Nurse and was told that a Drs had not turned up for work. Therefore Drs that were on earlier duty. Had to cover there shift.

There were nurses looking after 15 PATIENTS. And everyone was rushing round. I went up to a Dr and asked him about my neighbour, and he advised me that they had a patient in Cardiac arrest.
When l went up to the ward. There were 6 patients in the ward - there was ONE Dr covering THREE WARDS.

These Drs should not have to put up with the crap that Hunt is forcing upon them.

IF you have a dr working FIVE days, you cannot expect them to work SEVEN days on the SAME wage.
Its just stupid.

And l cannot even imagine that Drs would leave a patient who needs vital help, to go off duty. If another Dr wasn't there. Patient Care is paramount to them.

Like the Fireman who went on strike, and there was a major accident. They went to help.

What Hunt and May are doing is wrong. May should be ordering HUNT to sit round a table to the early hours if necessary to sort this problem out.

But, what l think Hunt and May are doing is trying to force the Junior Drs, into a scenario where the public will get on the back.

But that wont happen.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Members will NOT like what l am going to say.
I have been at West Middlesex Hospital for the past 4 days, with a neighbour who is dying of Cancer.
While l was there, l was shocked that there were only a couple of Drs on duty. Spoke with a Nurse and was told that a Drs had not turned up for work. Therefore Drs that were on earlier duty. Had to cover there shift.

There were nurses looking after 15 PATIENTS. And everyone was rushing round. I went up to a Dr and asked him about my neighbour, and he advised me that they had a patient in Cardiac arrest.
When l went up to the ward. There were 6 patients in the ward - there was ONE Dr covering THREE WARDS.

These Drs should not have to put up with the crap that Hunt is forcing upon them.

IF you have a dr working FIVE days, you cannot expect them to work SEVEN days on the SAME wage.
Its just stupid.

And l cannot even imagine that Drs would leave a patient who needs vital help, to go off duty. If another Dr wasn't there. Patient Care is paramount to them.

Like the Fireman who went on strike, and there was a major accident. They went to help.

What Hunt and May are doing is wrong. May should be ordering HUNT to sit round a table to the early hours if necessary to sort this problem out.

But, what l think Hunt and May are doing is trying to force the Junior Drs, into a scenario where the public will get on the back.

But that wont happen.

If you don't support the NHS go private, if you can't go private shut up and understand the NHS is doing its best but is about to be broke by junior doctors!

An junior doctors should find another job if earning what they currently earn does not pay the gas and electric bill.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Members will NOT like what l am going to say.
I have been at West Middlesex Hospital for the past 4 days, with a neighbour who is dying of Cancer.
While l was there, l was shocked that there were only a couple of Drs on duty. Spoke with a Nurse and was told that a Drs had not turned up for work. Therefore Drs that were on earlier duty. Had to cover there shift.

There were nurses looking after 15 PATIENTS. And everyone was rushing round. I went up to a Dr and asked him about my neighbour, and he advised me that they had a patient in Cardiac arrest.
When l went up to the ward. There were 6 patients in the ward - there was ONE Dr covering THREE WARDS.

These Drs should not have to put up with the crap that Hunt is forcing upon them.

IF you have a dr working FIVE days, you cannot expect them to work SEVEN days on the SAME wage.
Its just stupid.

And l cannot even imagine that Drs would leave a patient who needs vital help, to go off duty. If another Dr wasn't there. Patient Care is paramount to them.

Like the Fireman who went on strike, and there was a major accident. They went to help.

What Hunt and May are doing is wrong. May should be ordering HUNT to sit round a table to the early hours if necessary to sort this problem out.

But, what l think Hunt and May are doing is trying to force the Junior Drs, into a scenario where the public will get on the back.

But that wont happen.

I like it art, all apart from the bit about your neighbour, I hope they don't suffer.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Would you like to work 18 days a day, seven days a week.

WHY will the NHS go broke. Total rubbish.

The Tories would love the NHS to be private. Then they would not be spending BILLIONS each year on it.

You check all the PRIVATE companies that operate within the NHS, and you will find that the directors are mostly Tory donors.

Even private firms use the NHS for medical services. My sister in law, used a private Medical firm to have an operation. When it went wrong, she was sent to a NHS hospital as a patient to sort it out.

The NHS, would save plenty of money if they got rid of all pen pushers and private firms that operate within it. And carried out the work itself.

Prime example, the catering company where my neighbour is. serve meals to patients at a cost of £2.50 per patients.

And l have seen the crap given. Even a Nurse told us that, its not worth eating.

Parking money could be given to the hospitals. But is goes into greedy companies, that even charge nurses to park.

The NHS is the envy of the world. But there are too many time wasters going there.

Did you read yesterday, where a woman called for an Ambulance to take her to hospital as she had SORE FEET.

If yu go into any hospital - you are bound to find a Private company running some of the shops in there. And charging a lot of money for there products

Arthur, no doctors work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week.