Reform UK's chronicles

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Do please give Farage credit for understanding the British psyche in his dealings with Trump.

The only thing I want to give Farage is an elbow strike to the side of the head.

DISCLAIMER: this was purely metaphorical and I don’t advocate violence on anyone.

Farage has no idea of “the British psyche” unless you’re one of those who falls for his “man of the people” gimmick when he puts on a flat cap and gets his photo taken holding a pint to demonstrate he’s “just like us”.

Farage doesn’t get “the British psyche” any more than Bullshitting Boris did.

[Sephiroth]

Farage makes total sense on the economy and net zero. He makes sense on immigration. And a hell of a lot of people agree with him. To be tested at elections.

[Russ]

All politicians speak total sense about the economy until they get elected. And his plans regarding immigration involves leaving the ECHR, as if doing so would have any impact on stopping illegal immigrants arriving here.

“A hell of a lot” is subjective but clearly not “a hell of a lot” enough to get his party elected in July.

I’ll tell what “a hell of a lot” of people will do at the next election, is see him for the 2-faced grifter that he is.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Russ

Particularly because they don’t have any specific policies which is why they won’t get taken seriously when polling times come around.

It’s not time for the General Election yet. We don’t know what policies any of the major parties will have in place in another four years’ time.

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Originally Posted by Paul

Well it may have captured yours, the majority of the public ? not so much.

No.

When you're a well established party of over 100 years, you can ride storms a little easier than a new party starting out.

Reforms biggest issue seems to be (as implied by Russ) that no one seems to know what their actual policies are.
On top of that, Farage himself is a big hurdle to their popularity, many people just cant stand the man, me included.

You seem to have missed the recent polls on voting intentions, so I think you are wrong about the popularity of Farage and Reform.

Although it certainly helps to be a well established party to win a General Election, you also need to factor in the high level of disillusionment people have about the main parties. The people still want change - Labour isn’t delivering the change they want, and if Starmer dares to try getting us back into the EU, he can say goodbye to any chance of re-election next time around.

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Originally Posted by Russ

The only thing I want to give Farage is an elbow strike to the side of the head.

DISCLAIMER: this was purely metaphorical and I don’t advocate violence on anyone.

Farage has no idea of “the British psyche” unless you’re one of those who falls for his “man of the people” gimmick when he puts on a flat cap and gets his photo taken holding a pint to demonstrate he’s “just like us”.

Farage doesn’t get “the British psyche” any more than Bullshitting Boris did.

I think it’s you that doesn’t identify with the British psyche. There is a reason why Farage and his party is described as ‘populist’. In case you are confused by that, it means he’s popular.

The fact that you don’t seem to get that simple connection explains your comment, does it not?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Farage makes total sense on the economy and net zero. He makes sense on immigration. And a hell of a lot of people agree with him. To be tested at elections.

Nail on head, Seph.

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Originally Posted by Russ

All politicians speak total sense about the economy until they get elected. And his plans regarding immigration involves leaving the ECHR, as if doing so would have any impact on stopping illegal immigrants arriving here.

Your first sentence has some truth in it, so why you see them as more credible than Farage is a strange contortion.

Leaving the ECHR enables us to put in place deterrent measures which were thwarted last time it was tried. Many people on the left of politics simply don’t understand that a big deterrent like that will stop people trying.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think it’s you that doesn’t identify with the British psyche. There is a reason why Farage and his party is described as ‘populist’. In case you are confused by that, it means he’s popular.

The Daily Mail and the Sun are 2 of the most popular newspapers in the UK. Does that automatically make them any good?

Ergo.....

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The fact that you don’t seem to get that simple connection explains your comment, does it not?

Back at ya.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Your first sentence has some truth in it, so why you see them as more credible than Farage is a strange contortion.

How about the fact he's targeting Downing Street by 2029 when he doesn't have a single policy to hang his hat on to?

Or he's leading this bunch of misfits?

https://news.err.ee/907867/more-than...rving-sentence

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Leaving the ECHR enables us to put in place deterrent measures which were thwarted last time it was tried. Many people on the left of politics simply don’t understand that a big deterrent like that will stop people trying.

I'm guessing this will come as news to you but leaving the ECHR won't make it any easier to "send them back". Many people on the right side of politics simply don't understand this.

https://theconversation.com/leaving-...-the-uk-227403

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That sort of sneering does not become you, Andrew. Trump is unique and cannot be compared in this sense with any UK politician.

I was demonstrating examples of populism. If you want me to find the similarities between Farage and Trump that's not hard either.

They're both uniquely-gifted communicators who can connect with the man on the street, especially in left-behind areas.

Their promises are cynically unachievable and are there to attract the hard of thinking. Be it cutting Council spending, removing income tax on less than £20k, building the wall or Ukranian peace within 24 hours of being elected.

Their communication is especially strong through simple social media friendly slogans, be that "Make America great again" or "Take back control".

And did I mention that they've spent more time in Russian embassies than is desirable?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Farage makes total sense on the economy and net zero. He makes sense on immigration. And a hell of a lot of people agree with him. To be tested at elections.

He's already been tested and failed/delivered nothing.

The first time in in European Parliament when he just tried to disrupt ( in the few times he turned up).

The 2nd as MP for Clacton, whose residents haven't see him since the election.

Like Boris, populists get found out when they actually have to deliver something.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I was demonstrating examples of populism. If you want me to find the similarities between Farage and Trump that's not hard either.

They're both uniquely-gifted communicators who can connect with the man on the street, especially in left-behind areas.

Their promises are cynically unachievable and are there to attract the hard of thinking. Be it cutting Council spending, removing income tax on less than £20k, building the wall or Ukranian peace within 24 hours of being elected.

Their communication is especially strong through simple social media friendly slogans, be that "Make America great again" or "Take back control".

And did I mention that they've spent more time in Russian embassies than is desirable?

I was demonstrating examples of populism. If you want me to find the similarities between Farage and Trump that's not hard either.

Since you are making comparisons between Trump & Farage it best behoves to make sure that the specifics stick to both. Trump is an all-round bad egg who seems interested only in satisfying his ego. Farage has political ambition and talks common sense that only offends lefties (who are themselves baddies) and hypocrites.

They're both uniquely-gifted communicators who can connect with the man on the street, especially in left-behind areas.

Reform, led by Farage, appeals significantly to non-hypocritical Tories.

Their promises are cynically unachievable and are there to attract the hard of thinking. Be it cutting Council spending, removing income tax on less than £20k, building the wall or Ukranian peace within 24 hours of being elected.

A perfect example of false comparison. Farage has made no promises in respect of Ukraine nor building a wall. Afaik, Farage hasn't made any UK promises but we know the direction in which he is heading in terms of taxation and economic growth.. Nothing like Trump,, (save than to better than Labour/Tories).

Their communication is especially strong through simple social media friendly slogans, be that "Make America great again" or "Take back control".

Nothing wrong with that as long as you can deliver. Unlike the USA, we are called "Great Britain" - though I haven't heard Farage peddle that.

You are not being as rational as you sometimes/usually are - perhaps blinded by Brexit.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Since you are making comparisons between Trump & Farage it best behoves to make sure that the specifics stick to both. Trump is an all-round bad egg who seems interested only in satisfying his ego. Farage has political ambition and talks common sense that only offends lefties (who are themselves baddies) and hypocrites.


Reform, led by Farage, appeals significantly to non-hypocritical Tories.


A perfect example of false comparison. Farage has made no promises in respect of Ukraine nor building a wall. Afaik, Farage hasn't made any UK promises but we know the direction in which he is heading in terms of taxation and economic growth.. Nothing like Trump,, (save than to better than Labour/Tories).


Nothing wrong with that as long as you can deliver. Unlike the USA, we are called "Great Britain" - though I haven't heard Farage peddle that.

You are not being as rational as you sometimes/usually are - perhaps blinded by Brexit.

I'm being super rational.

I'm warning Reform UK sceptics not to write off the Party's electoral challenge. And I'm warning Farage fans that he's a populist who can't deliver on his impossible promises.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm being super rational.

I'm warning Reform UK sceptics not to write off the Party's electoral challenge. And I'm warning Farage fans that he's a populist who can't deliver on his impossible promises.

A populist with the right ideas is a good populist.

Starmer is an example of a bad populist.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Afaik, Farage hasn't made any UK promises but we know the direction in which he is heading in terms of taxation and economic growth.. Nothing like Trump,, (save than to better than Labour/Tories).

He promised he'd leave the country if brexit was a failure and yet he's still here

Nothing wrong with that as long as you can deliver. Unlike the USA, we are called "Great Britain" - though I haven't heard Farage peddle that.

As in Greater Brittany

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

A populist with the right ideas is a good populist.

No. A populist with workable ideas is a good populist.

Originally Posted by Russ

No. A populist with workable ideas is a good populist.

Don’t forget they never take responsibility when their ideas don’t work - it’s always someone else’s fault…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He promised he'd leave the country if brexit was a failure and yet he's still here



As in Greater Brittany

I'm sorry to say to you that none of the above is of any substance.

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Originally Posted by Russ

No. A populist with workable ideas is a good populist.

"Right" usually ends up being "workable" if your cabinet are not made up of professional politicians.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

"Right" usually ends up being "workable" if your cabinet are not made up of professional politicians.

And you’re suggesting Reform wouldn’t bring in “professional politicians” if they ever got in to power?