Reform UK's chronicles

I dont think they ever had a realistic chance.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

The problem with being a radical insurgent political party with a reform agenda is that you attract radicals who by their nature are unhappy with consensus. It’s long been seen as a problem with the hard left, which has long has problems with factionalism. Looks like the far right isn’t immune.

That’s too simplistic. Reform is eating into both the Labour and Conservative vote because the electorate are unhappy with both main parties.

Reform UK has captured the public imagination with its narrative. They are disrupters, and their standing in the polls should make both Starmer and Badenoch think about what they have been getting wrong. If they don’t change, Reform UK will see them off at the next General Election. Farage is building his party from the bottom up and is fielding candidates for every seat at the council elections.

Will he meet his goal of getting into government? It’s a tall order but he knows what needs to be done to overcome the difficulties for his party in gaining electoral success with our FPTP system.

Interesting times.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

They had a real shot, for about 5mins.

It’s a storm in a teacup. All parties have such problems but when it comes to Reform, every issue is treated like it’s a disaster.

[Russ]

Particularly because they don’t have any specific policies which is why they won’t get taken seriously when polling times come around.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Reform UK has captured the public imagination with its narrative.

Well it may have captured yours, the majority of the public ? not so much.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Will he meet his goal of getting into government?

No.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s a storm in a teacup. All parties have such problems but when it comes to Reform, every issue is treated like it’s a disaster.

When you're a well established party of over 100 years, you can ride storms a little easier than a new party starting out.

Reforms biggest issue seems to be (as implied by Russ) that no one seems to know what their actual policies are.
On top of that, Farage himself is a big hurdle to their popularity, many people just cant stand the man, me included.

[Sephiroth]

OB's assessment makes good sense. It is realistic, especially if Labour & the Conservatives continue on their current tracks.

[1andrew1]

Reform are really a one-trick pony and that pony is Nigel Farage. Fortunately for them, he's more of a stallion than a pony. As long as he's their leader, they can't be easily written off.

Reform are populist - left wing on business and right wing on law and order. That's a popular place to be. Not good for the country but an attractive area to position yourself with the electorate.

Also, let's not forget, Labour were criticised for having no policies and it didn't prevent them getting into power.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Reform are really a one-trick pony and that pony is Nigel Farage. Fortunately for them, he's more of a stallion than a pony. As long as he's their leader, they can't be easily written off.

Reform are populist - left wing on business and right wing on law and order. That's a popular place to be. Not good for the country but an attractive area to position yourself with the electorate.

Also, let's not forget, Labour were criticised for having no policies and it didn't prevent them getting into power.

Populist is good politics. The crunch will be whether or not the public believe that the so-called "stallion" can deliver on what he espouses.

One good thing that would emerge if Reform win a GE is that the cabinet would comprise normal people with some acumen but who are not professional liars.


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Btw, I'm still a card carrying Conservative who prefers to piss inside the tent. Also there are several shadow cabinet members I would particularly like to piss on because they were a significant part of the past Tory shambles.

That said, Farage carries the Conservative flag, imo.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

One good thing that would emerge if Reform win a GE is that the cabinet would comprise normal people with some acumen but who are not professional liars.

[1andrew1]

We only have to look at the peace in Ukraine within 24 hours of Trump being President or the trade deals we've signed with the US and India to know that populist is about making promises that can't be realistically kept.

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Originally Posted by Russ

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We only have to look at the peace in Ukraine within 24 hours of Trump being President or the trade deals we've signed with the US and India to know that populist is about making promises that can't be realistically kept.

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You forgot about Putin's Easter Saturday cease fire from 07.00 p.m. (kyiv time) for 30 hours over Easter.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Reform are really a one-trick pony and that pony is Nigel Farage. Fortunately for them, he's more of a stallion than a pony. As long as he's their leader, they can't be easily written off.

Reform are populist - left wing on business and right wing on law and order. That's a popular place to be. Not good for the country but an attractive area to position yourself with the electorate.

Also, let's not forget, Labour were criticised for having no policies and it didn't prevent them getting into power.

If a general election were held today, Reform UK would be on course to win the most seats, but no party would be close to an overall majority, a new poll suggests.

Nigel Farage’s party would win 180 seats, with the Tories and Labour on 165 seats each, according to the More in Common survey of 16,000 voters. Sir Keir Starmer’s party would achieve an even worse result than it sustained under Jeremy Corbyn in 2019, losing 246 seats, the modelling claims.mon director Luke Tryl said the survey shows that “British politics has fragmented to an unprecedented level”.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We only have to look at the peace in Ukraine within 24 hours of Trump being President or the trade deals we've signed with the US and India to know that populist is about making promises that can't be realistically kept.

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That sort of sneering does not become you, Andrew. Trump is unique and cannot be compared in this sense with any UK politician.

[Russ]

And that's exactly the reason why his connection to Farage and co all the more dangerous for the UK.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

And that's exactly the reason why his connection to Farage and co all the more dangerous for the UK.

Do please give Farage credit for understanding the British psyche in his dealings with Trump.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Do please give Farage credit for understanding the British psyche in his dealings with Trump.