20mph is just the start.

[Russ]

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Originally Posted by Taf

Welsh Labour does not have a majority in the Arsembly. The rubbish being passed into law is due to Pallid Cymru, Labour in all but name, maintaining a "loose coalition" with them.

I think a tighter one would help, and possibly from the Greens. See what they could do, although I can’t see them opposing a 20mph limit.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Paul

Pretty sure he clearly stated otherwise ;

Russ added the disclaimer later. I'm a Tory Party member and until his "disclaimer" i was '****'.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Russ added the disclaimer later. I'm a Tory Party member and until his "disclaimer" i was '****'.

Yes later but before you commented, as I guessed someone would deliberately take offence. Admins will be able to see the times of editing and posting.

My mother is a Tory supporter, wouldn’t I call her ****? No. I’ve made it clear all along my beef is with the MPs. Those who choose to support them, you’re on your own.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Russ added the disclaimer later. I'm a Tory Party member and until his "disclaimer" i was '****'.

Oh give it rest, even I can see thats never been his view or intention.
Stop trying to be offended just for the sake of it, its not helping anyone.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Paul

Not entirely true.
Some parks have speed limits, and local bylaws can exist to limit cycle speeds.
Also, where speeding itself is not illegal, could get you fined for careless or reckless cycling.

Noted, thank you. You'd think this important stuff would get a mention in The Highway Code.

[tweetiepooh]

I would not vote for parties that want to take money away from me and waste it on plans that while worthwhile in themselves still get stuck up in administrative chaos and mismanagement. I support the general Tory principle of decentralising government, lower taxes and less interference. Not that that balance is ever achieved.
But I would never want to vote against any party or politician. I want to vote for something and with our current system I get to vote for my local representative not simply for a party.


But this is getting away from 20mph speed limits. I think there needs to be better use of variable limits and prosecuting for inappropriate speed (careless/dangerous driving). You can be driving below the limit and be too fast for the conditions.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

But I would never want to vote against any party or politician. I want to vote for something and with our current system I get to vote for my local representative not simply for a party

To be honest I’ve never been that way. I’ve always disliked the Tories if for nothing else than the apparent disdain they’ve always shown Wales (especially the south) but my true anti-Tory (MP, before any twinkletoes on here gets offended) hatred - even though that’s a very strong word to use- was born the day bullshitting Boris took over. He has forever tainted that party for me, along with JRM, Dorries etc

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

But this is getting away from 20mph speed limits. I think there needs to be better use of variable limits and prosecuting for inappropriate speed (careless/dangerous driving). You can be driving below the limit and be too fast for the conditions.

This whole thing feels rushed out with little thought. I drive a 2.2 Mondeo Titanium X TDCi and driving at those speeds is awful for my diesel consumption (not to mention my gearbox and flywheel) however it’s not all that different from 30mph and most of the roads I use around here are either 40mph, dual carriageways or motorways so it doesn’t affect me that much.

What DOES bother me are the idiotic “just in case” types who when driving at 20 on these roads either see a speed camera or police car and drop down to 15mph.

“Just in case” of course

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Russ

What DOES bother me are the idiotic “just in case” types who when driving at 20 on these roads either see a speed camera or police car and drop down to 15mph.

“Just in case” of course

That'll be me Russ . You have to remember that 20mph is the limit not the target so I often drive below 20. It's a useful way of reminding people daily of this Labour policy (which will screw up the economy, cause illness through stress and incite road rage).

Bear in mind that Wales has had a Labour Government for over 20 years - are you sure the Tories are responsible for Welsh woes?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kursk

That'll be me Russ .

Even though we both know it isn’t, drivers need to be aware of their responsibility to keep up the flow of traffic. Too slow can be dangerous too.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Bear in mind that Wales has had a Labour Government for over 20 years - are you sure the Tories are responsible for Welsh woes?

Tell me of your memories living here before the WAG came in.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Russ

Even though we both know it isn’t, drivers need to be aware of their responsibility to keep up the flow of traffic. Too slow can be dangerous too.



Tell me of your memories living here before the WAG came in.

The "flow" of traffic is better described as a "crawl". It's making people mad , yourself included.

Off topic Russ - but the Labour-controlled Welsh Government was formed in 1999 and now it wants to double its size. Where's the VFM (apart from 20mph, bilingual signs and dishing out loans to people to pay their mortgages)?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kursk

The "flow" of traffic is better described as a "crawl". It's making people mad , yourself included.

And you’ve just admitted to deliberately making it worse. Very mature.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Off topic Russ - but the Labour-controlled Welsh Government was formed in 1999 and now it wants to double its size. Where's the VFM (apart from 20mph, bilingual signs and dishing out loans to people to pay their mortgages)?

Probably in the same place as the VFM gained when the Tories changed constitution sizes to make it harder for Labour to gain power - how did that turn out for them?

But as you rightly say, off-topic.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Russ

And you’ve just admitted to deliberately making it worse. Very mature.

Obeying the law is not 'deliberately making it worse'. The 20mph limit is 'making it worse'. A very immature policy then from a Government old enough to know better and which shouldn't squander public money on private debts.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

bilingual signs

Now there is "demand" for Welsh-only signs, according to the Arsembly. Just as there is "demand" for more Welsh-medium schooling. And "demand" for extra members of the Arsembly, where we would not get to vote for a person, but a Party, with the Party deciding who gets the seats.

But there is "no demand" for extra roads despite logjams all over the place, made worse by the limit drops even on motorways and major trunk roads.

The only thing that is in actual "demand" is for the 20mph limit to be scrapped. 465,760 signatures on an official Arsembly petition so far.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Obeying the law is not 'deliberately making it worse'. The 20mph limit is 'making it worse'.

No but when you say

It's a useful way of reminding people daily of this Labour policy (which will screw up the economy, cause illness through stress and incite road rage).

…..you’re calling your own intentional actions which you admit could cause injury, harm and possible death “useful”, then yes, you are deliberately making it worse.

But I know what you’re doing. You’re assuming I’m one of the drivers who hates the 20mph so by posting that you’re trying to bait me.

Problem is…..I’ve already said most road around me are either 40mph limits, dual carriageways or motorways, so by and large it doesn’t bother me.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Russ

No but when you say

…..you’re calling your own intentional actions which you admit could cause injury, harm and possible death “useful”, then yes, you are deliberately making it worse.

But I know what you’re doing. You’re assuming I’m one of the drivers who hates the 20mph so by posting that you’re trying to bait me.

Problem is…..I’ve already said most road around me are either 40mph limits, dual carriageways or motorways, so by and large it doesn’t bother me.

Around me in London, 20 mph is an aspiration given the traffic. When I visited the Brecons earlier in the year, the speedo rarely dipped below 30 mph. I think this 20 mph in Wales malarky is a bit misunderstood.