[Update] Cameron promises EU referendum by October 2017

[jonbxx]

Hang on a sec'. So people on here want a referendum on the EU to let the people decide but don't trust people to vote in a General Election as they might vote Labour.

Can't have democracy only when it suits an agenda!

What? Who said they don't want a general election to take place?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

What? Who said they don't want a general election to take place?

No, he didn't say that nobody wants a general election.
he said, but nobody trusts people to vote in a General Election when we have one as they might vote Labour.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Hang on a sec'. So people on here want a referendum on the EU to let the people decide but don't trust people to vote in a General Election as they might vote Labour.

Can't have democracy only when it suits an agenda!

That post that has me confused to say the least

I think what Jon is saying (I could be way off the mark don't shoot the messenger) is that some of us on one hand are saying give us a vote on EU membership whilst worrying that people will vote labour back in at the next election. I have to be honest I am the same as Maggy I have no faith in the political system as it stands but I know opting out isn't the answer. That said this is about the EU not the wider political scene in the UK. Just give us the damn vote in a years time more then enough time to have a decent debate and does away with the years of uncertainty and gets rid of the ukip problem before any general election job done Dave and no need to lower yourself to trying to bribe the electorate. Go on Cameron have a go at having a real principle and acting on it.

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I think what Jon is saying (I could be way off the mark don't shoot the messenger) is that some of us on one hand are saying give us a vote on EU membership whilst worrying that people will vote labour back in at the next election. I have to be honest I am the same as Maggy I have no faith in the political system as it stands but I know opting out isn't the answer. That said this is about the EU not the wider political scene in the UK. Just give us the damn vote in a years time more then enough time to have a decent debate and does away with the years of uncertainty and gets rid of the ukip problem before any general election job done Dave and no need to lower yourself to trying to bribe the electorate. Go on Cameron have a go at having a real principle and acting on it.

Good luck with that

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I think what Jon is saying (I could be way off the mark don't shoot the messenger) is that some of us on one hand are saying give us a vote on EU membership whilst worrying that people will vote labour back in at the next election.

Yes, sorry, I was in a rush when I wrote that That is exactly what I meant, people are clamouring for a referendum of Europe - let the people decide, yay! However, come an election, if Labour won, people are idiots.

Interestingly, it looks like support for leaving the EU is on the slide at the moment. See here

The actual YouGov survey for the Sunday Times is here - some interesting voting intentions.

And at the YouGov site, some interesting commentary (especially about UKIP).

Perhaps most encouraging of all for Cameron, UKIP’s support in our latest survey is down to 7%, its lowest since mid-November. In the weeks leading up to Christmas, UKIP and the Lib Dems were running neck-and-neck, typically with 9-10% support each. Since the new year, the Lib Dems have edged up to almost 11%, while UKIP has slipped back.

The swing away from UKIP is even more marked when we ask people how they would vote in elections to the European Parliament. A week ago, UKIP, on 17%, was just ten points behind the Conservatives’ 27%. In our latest poll the gap has almost doubled, with UKIP down to 12% and the Tories up to 30%.

Originally Posted by Hugh

The actual YouGov survey for the Sunday Times is here - some interesting voting intentions.

And at the YouGov site, some interesting commentary (especially about UKIP).

Interesting shift in people's currently intentions for a in/out referendum from before the annoucement:

Prior to Cameron's speech:

Remain in the EU: 36%
Leave in the EU: 42%
Not voting: 4%
I dunno: 17%

Afterwards:

Remain in the EU: 40% (up 4%)
Leave in the EU: 42% (down 8%)
Not voting: 4% (up 1%)
I dunno: 17% (up 3%)


Even more interesting is the question of what people would do if we got 'new terms':

Remain in the EU: 55%
Leave in the EU: 22%
Not voting: 5%
I dunno: 18%

Cameron hasn't specified what he wants these new terms to be and it's likely that he'll win some concessions after all. He seems to have played his hand very well.....

[Sirius]

Tony Blair: Quitting EU would be 'huge problem' for UK

That lying idiots got a brass neck, his party was an even bigger problem for the UK than any vote would be, he signed away most of our laws and sovereignty to the EU and allowed our gold to be sold at the lowest price they could find.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21312932

[Mick Fisher]

Tony Blair was a huge problem for the UK, second only to the bumbling strutting fool, Gordon Brown.

As we have survived them I have no doubt that we could survive after dumping the EU. In fact I am sure we will thrive after dumping the EU and getting our borders under a sensible control.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

Tony Blair was a huge problem for the UK, second only to the bumbling strutting fool, Gordon Brown.

As we have survived them I have no doubt that we could survive after dumping the EU. In fact I am sure we will thrive after dumping the EU and getting our borders under a sensible control.

I just wish we could dump the EU now.