Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

I don't think I've seen many superheroes on pushbikes. Not even the invisible woman.



Roads are funded from general taxation (there's no such thing as road tax) so cyclists, who are also taxpayers, are entitled to expect some facilities for their contributions.



You're right that the cycle ways are not dangerous; it's the roads that are dangerous. Try to think it through .

we also have facilities for dead cyclists -mortuary's its just that some of us are trying to keep cyclists out of them... [isn't that selfish of us] .

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Roads are funded from general taxation (there's no such thing as road tax) so cyclists, who are also taxpayers, are entitled to expect some facilities for their contributions.

There may be no specific road tax but there is Vehicle Excise Duty which *is* commonly referred to as Road Tax. You are right, however, in that the money generated goes into general tax, rather than a road budget specifically.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

I don't think I've seen many superheroes on pushbikes.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Because it is not compulsory to do so. Because the surface is frequently poorly maintained. Because drains and loose gravel are dangerous for cyclists. Because cyclists can cycle on any part of the road.

And because it is easier to get in the way of cars when ambling down the middle of the highway .

The irony is the cycle path was smooth as a babys bum, and empty.

The road was full of cars pump crap he could breathe in, and pot holes that could put him under the bloody big dumper trucks.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Stuart

There may be no specific road tax but there is Vehicle Excise Duty which *is* commonly referred to as Road Tax. You are right, however, in that the money generated goes into general tax, rather than a road budget specifically.

Yes, I know there is VED and it is commonly and inaccurately referred to as 'road tax'. VED is effectively a tax on the harmful emissions produced by motor vehicles and guess what, bikes produce no emissions therefore there is no tax to pay.

I think that puts to bed the notion that cyclists should pay 'road tax'; we already contribute to the upkeep of roads through general taxation.

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The irony is the cycle path was smooth as a babys bum, and empty.

The road was full of cars pump crap he could breathe in, and pot holes that could put him under the bloody big dumper trucks.

Personal choice I suppose. That said, cycle paths aren't always the most convenient option; some can be a couple of metres long; some actually don't lead anywhere etc. Road networks need to be planned with cycle lanes included not added later.

Originally Posted by Taf

Fair enough. No female superheroes then

Originally Posted by papa smurf

we also have facilities for dead cyclists -mortuary's its just that some of us are trying to keep cyclists out of them... [isn't that selfish of us] .

Drive with respect and care in that case. Thank you for helping.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Yes, I know there is VED and it is commonly and inaccurately referred to as 'road tax'. VED is effectively a tax on the harmful emissions produced by motor vehicles and guess what, bikes produce no emissions therefore there is no tax to pay.

I think that puts to bed the notion that cyclists should pay 'road tax'; we already contribute to the upkeep of roads through general taxation.



Personal choice I suppose. That said, cycle paths aren't always the most convenient option; some can be a couple of metres long; some actually don't lead anywhere etc. Road networks need to be planned with cycle lanes included not added later.



Fair enough. No female superheroes then



Drive with respect and care in that case. Thank you for helping.

hey no problem i will stop at green lights so morons can cross on the red light ,i won,t turn left any more so morons can undertake ,i wont use one way streets so morons can cycle up them the wrong way ,if there's any thing else i can do to assist these idiots let me know [but please be mindful that assisted suicide is frowned on in this country].

[Stephen]

Not ALL cyclists are idiots though!!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Kursk

In a previous post you accused me of writing 'puerile drivel' but, well, I took it on the chin. Man up: it's the cut and thrust of forum life.


Luckily, motorists are trained to care for these innocents.

I know you like scatterguns and have a problem with detail but so I'll just point out that the difference is that what you wrote was puerile drivel whereas you chose to misrepresent what I wrote despite me being quite clear. Suck that up! It's just the cut and thrust of forum life you know...

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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hey no problem i will stop at green lights so morons can cross on the red light ,i won,t turn left any more so morons can undertake ,i wont use one way streets so morons can cycle up them the wrong way ,if there's any thing else i can do to assist these idiots let me know [but please be mindful that assisted suicide is frowned on in this country].

You seem to exhibit few traits of a "trained" and "qualified" road user .

Originally Posted by Osem

I know you like scatterguns and have a problem with detail but so I'll just point out that the difference is that what you wrote was puerile drivel whereas you chose to misrepresent what I wrote despite me being quite clear. Suck that up! It's just the cut and thrust of forum life you know...

Ouch, cut me to the bone. Let's make a deal, you write something that isn't mind-numbingly repetitive and I'll read the detail .

Originally Posted by Stephen

Not ALL cyclists are idiots though!!

Not ALL car drivers are idiots either!!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Kursk

You seem to exhibit few traits of a "trained" and "qualified" road user .



Ouch, cut me to the bone. Let's make a deal, you write something that isn't mind-numbingly repetitive and I'll read the detail .



Not ALL car drivers are idiots either!!

Read what you like (or not as the case may be), just don't deliberately misrepresent it eh.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Osem

Read what you like (or not as the case may be), just don't deliberately misrepresent it eh.

Dog with a bone .

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Not ALL cyclists are idiots though!!

quite true but the ones that aren't don,t seem to be posting in this thread .

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

quite true but the ones that aren't don,t seem to be posting in this thread .

Attrition may terminate conversations but it doesn't change minds.

Do enjoy the sight of my rear end out on the roads papa .

[papa smurf]

i watched a tv program last night on pick tv the title road rage i found the program very satisfying as the police in London are now equipped with bicycles with blues and two's and chase down red light jumping cyclists and issue a £30 fine, these cyclists became very irate when they found out they cannot disregard the highway code without punishment , these people where referred to by the police as "Lycra louts and anarchistic" with the intent of causing as much chaos as possible, but its not being tolerated anymore .

[Gary L]

I watched that. the cyclists were intent on holding up the traffic saying "The roads are for everyone"
sad people

logically. today a lot of cyclist will fall off their bikes after that being aired last night.