anti americanism fashionable

[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

there are the geneva conventions.

The United States does not violate the Geneva Conventions when waging war. The people you don't want to critisize, such as Saddam and Mugabe, does violate the Geneva Conventions. Regardless, I doubt that was what waddy was referring to.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Jerrek

The United States does not violate the Geneva Conventions when waging war. The people you don't want to critisize, such as Saddam and Mugabe, does violate the Geneva Conventions. Regardless, I doubt that was what waddy was referring to.

But with this 'war' on terror, they keep the prisioners of the 'war on terror' in terrible conditions.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by downquark1

But with this 'war' on terror, they keep the prisioners of the 'war on terror' in terrible conditions.

im sure that breaks many conventions human rights ?

as i have read through this thread i agree with some of dr wadd's comments that the US had it coming...

ignorance and cockeyness will only give you negativity every country has it positives and negatives its just the US does not obey international law

it claimed saddam had weapons of mass destruction id like to ask where are they ?

oh and jerrek not every muslim is anti US or a terrorist

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by downquark1

they keep the prisioners of the 'war on terror' in terrible conditions.

how do u know, what conditions are they being kept in?

[kronas]

Originally Posted by darkangel

how do u know, what conditions are they being kept in?

the news reports they show pictures........

Originally Posted by Jerrek

The United States does not violate the Geneva Conventions when waging war. The people you don't want to critisize, such as Saddam and Mugabe, does violate the Geneva Conventions. Regardless, I doubt that was what waddy was referring to.

Leaving aside the issue of Guantanamo Bay which has already been mentioned, the USA bombed neutral countries during the Vietnam war. That is a war crime. Not to mention the attack recently within the borders of Syria.

I don`t see the USA storming in to help the oppressed people of Zimbabwe, but they don`t any resources you want to plunder. If the US government is so concerned about protecting the rights of oppressed peoples around the world, why did Dick Cheney vote *against* a motion codemning the house-arrest of Nelson Mandela?

Back on the topic of Bush, I suppose it's no suprise that he is attempting to stifle freedom of speech within the UK, he is already doing that in his own country.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/Wo..._031112-1.html

[Jerrek]

But with this 'war' on terror, they keep the prisioners of the 'war on terror' in terrible conditions.

Really. Terrible conditions. My idea of living in terrible conditions does not include living in a tent and given food and water every day, and allowed in the sun, on an island in the Caribbean.

My idea of terrible conditions is a Saudi jail under ground, locked away never to see daylight, not getting adequate water and food, no toilets, and perhaps the occasional rape or two.

the USA bombed neutral countries during the Vietnam war

Now let us see. Vietnam war. That would be a war started by liberal Democrats. Which countries are these that you speak of?

Not to mention the attack recently within the borders of Syria.

Which attack? Are you referring to the Israeli one?

I don`t see the USA storming in to help the oppressed people of Zimbabwe, but they don`t any resources you want to plunder.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? What about Bosnia? There wasn't any resources either...

If the US government is so concerned about protecting the rights of oppressed peoples around the world, why did Dick Cheney vote *against* a motion codemning the house-arrest of Nelson Mandela?

Mandela is a terrorist and a communist. He should have been executed when he was arrested for the murder of innocent civilians. He and his cronies planted bombs and killed many people.

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by kronas

the news reports they show pictures........

yep my point exactly, u know nothing of how the prisoners are being treated

I can understand Patriotism & loyalty and how people can hold strong views for & against other countries & causes.

I think I can understand how a "crime of passion" can result in one person taking the life of another - one on one, anyway.

What I can't understand is how anyone, could cold bloodedly, plan to murder & maim other people in order to to express their views - or even why they would think it could achieve their aims.

You would have thought that the sheer horror of atrocities like 9/11, Bali & what the IRA did to Manchester, would make these people think again about their strategy - what kind of person could do something like that & then start thinking about what to do next?

No pro/anti cause is worth the appalling carnage of these acts of violence, how the people who perpetrate them ever get support for what they do is beyond me?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by darkangel

yep my point exactly, u know nothing of how the prisoners are being treated

Really. Terrible conditions. My idea of living in terrible conditions does not include living in a tent and given food and water every day, and allowed in the sun, on an island in the Caribbean.

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by downquark1

my point was that all we know is being showed by a bias media who have a vested interest in make the pictures etc show what they want

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Really. Terrible conditions. My idea of living in terrible conditions does not include living in a tent and given food and water every day, and allowed in the sun, on an island in the Caribbean.

My idea of terrible conditions is a Saudi jail under ground, locked away never to see daylight, not getting adequate water and food, no toilets, and perhaps the occasional rape or two.

Or being illegally detained, without legal representation, without being charged, for an indefinite amount of time. Being deprived access to your family. These are not terrible conditions? They are in the sun, yes, but being kept in the beating sun constantly without any proper protection isn`t exactly a walk in the park you know.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Which countries are these that you speak of?

Laos might well have something to complain about.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12165

Cambodia didn`t fare too well either.

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Which attack? Are you referring to the Israeli one?

No, I`m referring to this one,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3032536.stm

or perhaps you'd like to try this later incident.

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au...55E401,00.html

If you are going to contribute to this thread you may wish to keep up with current affairs, and not rely on the stream of propaganda that the Whitehouse keeps pushing down your throat. Or is it simply more convenient for you to forget about the atrocities of the USA?

Originally Posted by Jerrek

Mandela is a terrorist and a communist. He should have been executed when he was arrested for the murder of innocent civilians. He and his cronies planted bombs and killed many people.

I seem to recall in an earlier post someone mentioning that you speak Afrikaans and that you spent some period of time in South Africa. Given that you were raised in a country where racism was the national pastime I`m really not surpised by this attitude.

Originally Posted by darkangel

my point was that all we know is being showed by a bias media who have a vested interest in make the pictures etc show what they want

And what political bias would the Red Cross have? They have roundly codemned the situation at Guantanamo Bay. There are sources of information above and beyond the news media.

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by dr wadd

And what political bias would the Red Cross have? They have roundly codemned the situation at Guantanamo Bay. There are sources of information above and beyond the news media.

everybody is biased in some way not necessarily politically even the red cross, what claims have they made?

[Jerrek]

Or being illegally detained

Illegal under what law?

Being deprived access to your family.

I couldn't care less. They are terrorists.

These are not terrible conditions?

No my dear boy, it is not. You don't know the meaning of terrible living conditions.

They are in the sun, yes, but being kept in the beating sun constantly without any proper protection isn`t exactly a walk in the park you know.

Oh, they're not dying, and they have tents and lots of water as far as I know. It is funny though, how you are attacking Americans for "terrible" living conditions, but the Chinese's use of thumb cuffs and how they just make people disappear for disagreeing with the government escapes your attention. Yep. Gotta wonder where your loyalties lie.

Or is it simply more convenient for you to forget about the atrocities of the USA?

What atrocities exactly?

I seem to recall in an earlier post someone mentioning that you speak Afrikaans and that you spent some period of time in South Africa. Given that you were raised in a country where racism was the national pastime I`m really not surpised by this attitude.

What the **** does that have to do with anything? I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works. Am I now a racist because I speak Afrikaans?