Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2011) Vol. I.

[Marcus125]

Well I won't be going back to sky.

If I return to sky I would have to return to a BT line for my BB which means back to 4meg.

I love my 50meg to much and as the main tv watcher in our house is the Mrs an her favourtie shows are Eastenders/Corrie/Gray anatomoy we won't changing back.

Although with 50 meg the avi boxsets are only 50 minutes away. Not that I would do that.

Although I wouldn't mind Virgin hurrying Tivo along, the days of linear TV channels are numbered I say.

[Andrewcrawford23]

Originally Posted by Marcus125

Well I won't be going back to sky.

If I return to sky I would have to return to a BT line for my BB which means back to 4meg.

I love my 50meg to much and as the main tv watcher in our house is the Mrs an her favourtie shows are Eastenders/Corrie/Gray anatomoy we won't changing back.

Although with 50 meg the avi boxsets are only 50 minutes away. Not that I would do that.

Although I wouldn't mind Virgin hurrying Tivo along, the days of linear TV channels are numbered I say.

why would you need to retutn to bt?

[OLDGOLD]

Originally Posted by Mobes

I pretty much agree with all that, especially with the ConDems in power. Sky will more than likely be able to do what they want. But Sky and it's rabid owners are 1st and foremost businessmen. They need reveniew and as they know from the Sky1 VM debacle they can't really do without OUR money as well as Sky customer money.

I still think it will come in time. Lets be fair to some extent. It's a Sky channel, why wouldn't they make it just available to Sky as a carrot for them to munch on for a bit. Afterall Virgin did it with Living HD.

I think Mobes is right. It will come eventually. Sky will keep it exclusive to try and increase subscriber numbers. When they dry up so the amount of new subscribers is back to the 'usual' amount, they will then be more open to an agreement with other providers to further increase their revenue.

Also, I think it's up to VM to maximise Tivo's potential and start getting bigger and better exclusive VOD deals, to counteract Sky. At the end of the day VOD seems to be the future of TV.

[sherer]

so it's the usual case of VM sell their channels to Sky. Sky close some of them then start a new channel and don't give VM access to it.

Surely this is the sort of thing OFCOM should be clamping down on.

As others have said what needs to happen is Sky need to be split into two to stop this sort of thing happening

[Andrewcrawford23]

Originally Posted by sherer

so it's the usual case of VM sell their channels to Sky. Sky close some of them then start a new channel and don't give VM access to it.

Surely this is the sort of thing OFCOM should be clamping down on.

As others have said what needs to happen is Sky need to be split into two to stop this sort of thing happening

nothign to do with ofcom maybe ocmpetion commission

they are paid tv channels virign choice what they do with them sky are no obilgation to provide channesl like altantic to us they do not have monopoly and unlikely to unless they buy all tv channels

[eugene]

I think a balanced view needs to be taken on this. With hindsight it appears Virgin maybe should have looked for another buyer of their VMTV channels, although at the time the deal seemed good. However, when it comes to Sky Atlantic, we are where we are and Virgin should not pay any price for it, Virgin were right to not be bullied by Sky with the Sky basic channels issue in 2007 and must stand firm again. One good thing about Virgin is their prices are better than Sky, ESPN is included in the basic package and very good VOD services. If Virgin just went around making quick deals to secure channels they'd never had got ESPN included in the XL package and HD channels with no premium on XL. I do think that there are issues in relation to the music channels which could be improved, thinking of MTV Classics and CSC media channels missing, although music on demand is very good. I worked out that for what I pay around £86 a month on Virgin, would cost over £100 a month on Sky, so overall Virgin should get credit for this.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLDGOLD

I think Mobes is right. It will come eventually. Sky will keep it exclusive to try and increase subscriber numbers. When they dry up so the amount of new subscribers is back to the 'usual' amount, they will then be more open to an agreement with other providers to further increase their revenue.

Also, I think it's up to VM to maximise Tivo's potential and start getting bigger and better exclusive VOD deals, to counteract Sky. At the end of the day VOD seems to be the future of TV.

I agree, even if there is a delay, VM will get SA eventually. The programmes will no doubt be repeated endlessly like the other Sky channels, so we won't actually miss anything.

[sherer]

it does seem typical that this is similar to the HBO deal that VM had except Sky seem to have made a better job of it and as usual with all things Sky as they are doing it everyone wants it. When VM had access to a lot of this content it wasn't advertised as much or as well

[mersey70]

Originally Posted by Mobes

Talk about giving a slighlty false impression. How about THIS part...

Virgin and BT, which show Sky channels including premium sports through a wholesale arrangement, have held talks over the new channel but have been unable to agree a deal. The broadcasters are hopeful of reaching an agreement, but remain some way apart over terms for the channel that will also show the new seasons of Mad Men and Entourage.

We didn't even know they were trying and it sounds like they are not stopping to try and get it... Glass half full people!!!!

I would take that article with a big pinch of salt, lord knows where BT would get anymore DTT bandwidth from and even if they could find some I would imagine their customers would prefer some other channels, notably SSP 3 & 4, ahead of an unproven channel that is yet to launch.

I don't think Sky could be any clearer, it is their exclusive much like when ITV plc said ITV2 HD was exclusive to Sky HD customers, and still is.

[Marcus125]

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

why would you need to retutn to bt?

Because no one has unbundled my local exchange and getting TV from one company and keeping VM 50meg would be mean paying over the odds.

So forthe sake of getting 1 TV channel "sky Atlantic" I would lose 46megs of BB download speed and pay probably an extra £20 month, Infact more as I have VIP-50.

Not worth it to me. More important is the BB speed with 2 teenage daughers both seeming to constantly to stream youtube videos whilst on facebook. It kills xboxlive live for me when I was on the 4 meg. The 50 eats it for breakfast plus I can limit a download to 25meg and still not have my service crippled.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Marcus125

Because no one has unbundled my local exchange and getting TV from one company and keeping VM 50meg would be mean paying over the odds.

So forthe sake of getting 1 TV channel "sky Atlantic" I would lose 46megs of BB download speed and pay probably an extra £20 month, Infact more as I have VIP-50.

Not worth it to me. More important is the BB speed with 2 teenage daughers both seeming to constantly to stream youtube videos whilst on facebook. It kills xboxlive live for me when I was on the 4 meg. The 50 eats it for breakfast plus I can limit a download to 25meg and still not have my service crippled.

plus, there might be the odd programme I'd like to see on SA, but I will just buy the Blu-ray/DVD set instead. That's what my partner is doing with Mad-Men

[mersey70]

Originally Posted by Marcus125

Because no one has unbundled my local exchange and getting TV from one company and keeping VM 50meg would be mean paying over the odds.

So forthe sake of getting 1 TV channel "sky Atlantic" I would lose 46megs of BB download speed and pay probably an extra £20 month, Infact more as I have VIP-50.

Not worth it to me. More important is the BB speed with 2 teenage daughers both seeming to constantly to stream youtube videos whilst on facebook. It kills xboxlive live for me when I was on the 4 meg. The 50 eats it for breakfast plus I can limit a download to 25meg and still not have my service crippled.

I agree it very much depends where you live but on the other hand if, like me, you live in an area that benefits from very good ADSL speeds Sky Broadband can be excellent for upto 20mb customers simply because it isn't traffic managed so if you are a heavy user a decent 15mb line like I can achieve can be better than VM's XL broadband.

I know I am in the minority though.

[muppetman11]

http://www.legalweek.com/legal-week/...ntment-counsel

As deputy GC Dresser was responsible for the company's M&A, competition and regulatory teams. He took lead roles on matters including the sale of Virgin Media Television

Oh no LOL :-)

[DJ-SWITCH]

I dont care about sky Atlantic i dont like the stuff on there what is going be showing i dont watch sky 1 2 or 3 load of crap on them, i give up the movies and sports 4days ago sick of all the same films showing there gone down hill if you ask me

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by DJ-SWITCH

I dont care about sky Atlantic i dont like the stuff on there what is going be showing i dont watch sky 1 2 or 3 load of crap on them, i give up the movies and sports 4days ago sick of all the same films showing there gone down hill if you ask me

Must agree mate Sky have all these channels that show repeats all day , I've looked for films a few times for the little un and every time I look Planet 51 seems to be on. I would rather have just one good channel than 6 packed with repeats and crap.

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Off topic but how bad is the PQ on Eastenders no way is that HD.