Identity Cards

[tabatha]

I have no problem with the concept of i.d cards..but why do the powers that be have to use such pathetic excuses to justify something that half the government appear to be against?..As has been pointed out,terrorists will get them if/when they need them...and illegals will continue to arrive without them..how are cards going to remove those that are refused permission to stay??This can take up to 3yrs to decide..Do they get a"maybe" card while they are waiting??..Are the police going to stop everyone to see if they are "aok"..Driving licences and motor insurance are compulsory...does everyone have them...and do those that have-not always get caught??!!

[trebor]

it will bring a whole new meaning to the phrase stolen identity when your card is stolen or lost.
as far as I am concerned they can shove the idea and there's nothing they can do about it because I have no card and therefor no identity.

Originally Posted by kronas

i dont think people understand quite how the cards could be used against you such as a flagging system to keep an eye on you store personal information which could be detremental to you getting financial aid credit cards a car there can be some very nasty people out there who could tamper with the cards

LOL. talk about paranoid.
What do you think crdit reference agencies do now, virtually everything you do is already tracked by some computerised system.

Originally Posted by pem

LOL. talk about paranoid.
What do you think crdit reference agencies do now, virtually everything you do is already tracked by some computerised system.

exactly! the only way NOT to be tracked is to have no banking account of any kind,no credit/debit cards,no mobile,own no housing,care etc...

makes for a very inconvenient life.after all how many businesses' actually pay cash to their employees these days.more and more turn to paying through a bank.

frankly i'm getting sick of this paranoid attitude-anyone would think we live in a gulag instead of a democratically run society.

incog.

Originally Posted by Gogogo

A long overdue and welcome idea, still got my Zimbabwe ID card.

Given the current situation in Zimbabwe, I think you might have found a better argument in favour of your point of view. Consider how the ID cards of innocent Zimbabwean citizens are now being used by a corrupt regime to keep tabs on them and control their movements. And consider how short a time ago it was that Zimbabwe appeared to be the leading democracy in Africa. I don't want this kind of big brother information in the hands of a faceless bureaucracy. Once they have it, our power to restrict how they use it is negligible.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

frankly i'm getting sick of this paranoid attitude-anyone would think we live in a gulag instead of a democratically run society.

incog.

It's not a paranoid attitude incog, it's a well-thought out opinion that happens to differ from yours ... but that's ok, because we live in a democratically run society.

Originally Posted by towny

It's not a paranoid attitude incog, it's a well-thought out opinion that happens to differ from yours ... but that's ok, because we live in a democratically run society.

which is why i trust the democratically elected government to be able to use id cards in an acceptable manner.

incog.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by towny

It's not a paranoid attitude incog

I'm sorry Towny, on this issue we differ, I think it is a very paranoid attitude, I really cant see the issue, but I'm sure some kind sole will be here shortly to tell me the error of my ways (not you BTW )

Originally Posted by dellwear

Oh dear, where's Graham, he's normally straight here when theres an argument to be had!!!

Graham's too busy making up stock for the Erotica show at the moment, however he's been mentally composing (another) letter to his MP just to ensure that he knows that people are against the idea!

If anyone's interested in my views they can look back at the previous ID card threads because they're all there and I can't be bothered to repeat them.

Just proves me right, most people in the UK would like to have an ID card!

Sure, like half the cabinet!!

Oh, and dellwear, I am not "straight here when there's an argument to be had", I'm "straight here" when there's a plan to grossly violate personal liberties, especially when it's in the guise of "it's for your own good!" (as the vet said to the cat...!)

[Jerrek]

Bad idea.

Originally Posted by towny

Given the current situation in Zimbabwe, I think you might have found a better argument in favour of your point of view.

Actually, I didn't offer an argument all I did was write a statement, that I still had my Zimbabwe ID card.

The situation in Zim has always been bad, though now worse, it is an authoritarian, fascist state, and is an example of how not to run a scheme, the country is a basket case.

I think the arguments have been well rehearsed the case against often based on simple paranoia. Our cousins in Europe appear to manage quite well with them and appear not to suffer from any problems having them.

[Russ]

I certainly have nothing to hide yet I don't want to be made to show I have nothing to hide, which is what I see this card symbolises. Apart from possible religious viewpoints there are plenty of reasons why law-abiding people wouldn't want such a card.

And what will the criminals do? Just carry fake ones.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

frankly i'm getting sick of this paranoid attitude-anyone would think we live in a gulag instead of a democratically run society.

incog.

We're getting that way pretty damn quickly.

[Nemesis]

Well I see no problem with the ID cards, they are not going to be here for at least 7 years, will have eye and fingerprint identification.

This has surely got to be a step forward with proving who you are and eradication crime and fraud ??

Originally Posted by kronas

i dont think people understand quite how the cards could be used against you such as a flagging system to keep an eye on you store personal information which could be detremental to you getting financial aid credit cards a car there can be some very nasty people out there who could tamper with the cards

A friend of mine a few years back was a member of a communist party political something or other.....basically students.
He was later arrested because he matched a desription of a wanted murderer. (yes honestly this is true). Once in the police station it was revealed to him that he had a government file that listed him as a political subversive.
Now this file would also include all his family, friends and aquaintences.

This makes me a political subversive by association, if the gov DO have this kind of info on me then a simple ID card cannot allow the gov to hold any more frightening info about me than they already have.

Any info stored that would cut out a) credit fraud b) benefit fraud c) any other kind of criminal activity that involves stolen ID's is in my mind perfectly OK.