Sky Broadband

[Neil]

Originally Posted by The Guardian

BSkyB today unveiled its "free" broadband offer for Sky Digital customers, which will cost the satellite broadcaster £650m.
The service will be paid for by a £400m investment from operating revenues and £250m capital expenditure over three years.

Sky Digital customers can begin registering for Sky Broadband from noon, with sales due to begin early next month.

The pay-TV broadcaster is offering three Sky Broadband packages as part of its key strategic move into the high-speed internet market.

Base is the "free" option, providing a 2Mb speed service and monthly usage of 2Gb to Sky customers for no extra monthly fee.

For £5 a month Sky Broadband's Mid package offers 8Mb speed and 40Gb monthly usage, while the Max offering gives customers 16Mb and unlimited monthly usage for £10 a month.

Base subscribers will have to pay a one-off £40 connection fee and £50 for home installation. For Max customers the connection fee is £20, while Max subscribers get connection and home installation for free.

Subscribers to all three Sky Broadband packages will have to sign up for a £5 monthly payment to Sky Talk, which also requires a BT line rental but offers unlimited UK landline calls.

Sky Digital customers who are outside the current reach of the Sky Broadband network will be offered the Connect package, which provides the equivalent to the Mid offering but for £17 a month.

Take a read of the PDF here:http://www.rawcoms.com/content/corpo...060718/run.asp

http://www.sky.com/broadband/

Thanks to James Henry for the heads up.

[KingPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Neil

Base subscribers will have to pay a one-off £40 connection fee and £50 for home installation. For Max customers the connection fee is £20, while Max subscribers get connection and home installation for free.

Eh???

Not sure whether to jump ship or not... plusnet has been really good... never had a problem and with a monthly usage of 100Gb a month or so.. (some months upto 170Gb) not sure if the grass is gonna be greener.... if you know what i mean

[Gareth]

Yeah, El Reg has the same story here... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07...les_broadband/

...although their figures differ slightly.

I like the idea of a free wireless router though. That's a nice touch

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This quote is interesting...

Originally Posted by El Reg

The max package costs £14 a month including phone line rental.

Considering I pay £10ish p/month to BT for line rental, it is a very tempting offer.

[etccarmageddon]

no it's £10 plus line rental - things are getting confused.

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...esentation.pdf

see page 7

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by KingPhoenix

Eh???

Not sure whether to jump ship or not... plusnet has been really good... never had a problem and with a monthly usage of 100Gb a month or so.. (some months upto 170Gb) not sure if the grass is gonna be greener.... if you know what i mean

Sky isn't going to be traffic shaped to hell and back for the onnet people. Appreciate that you seem to be very lucky in that you can actually download that amount of data without having your connection throttled back to the dialup era however for other subs that's the reality of Plusnet.

Be interesting to see the cableco response, see if Berkett is eating his words regarding them 'watching out'. Sky have made an investment here the size of which ntl could only dream of, unless it were to take over another company of course.

BT are gearing up for some serious investment.

[handyman]

Ntl's should be able to match or better it. After all they have already offered completly free internet.

They don't have to invest in a network either to do it as they already have a broadband ready network and a connection at every property that offers digital TV.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by handyman

Ntl's should be able to match or better it. After all they have already offered completly free internet.

They have?

Originally Posted by handyman

They don't have to invest in a network either to do it as they already have a broadband ready network

They can't provide the 10Mb customers with a stable connection yet.

Originally Posted by handyman

and a connection at every property that offers digital TV.

Are you sure about that?

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by handyman

Ntl's should be able to match or better it. After all they have already offered completly free internet.

They don't have to invest in a network either to do it as they already have a broadband ready network and a connection at every property that offers digital TV.

The network needs constant and ongoing investment to maintain and upgrade it, infact a lot of areas are nearing the end of useful life of a lot of components, so to say they don't have to invest isn't really accurate.

If ntl start offering internet service at really low / free prices where is their money going to come from?

Looking at the increase in complaints here the network is already not being that well maintained, and with a load of cost cutting and firing of engineers this won't really improve. Take away revenue from broadband services it just gets worse.

Neil - ntlworld dialup.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Originally Posted by Neil

They can't provide the 10Mb customers with a stable connection yet.

Or even the 4MB ones

Will have to look at all the pro's and con's, especially pricing. Sky TV services have been looking more attractive for so long now, with Sky+, HD, etc. Downside was I would have to pay for added cost of phone rental. Now if it is going to be a true bundle from Sky instead of ntl the swap might make sense, apart from cost of getting a BT based phone line installed (not just reactivated).

[bopdude]

Mmmmm this looks promising, espeacially as the partner has been hinting towards NTL's 3-2-1 package, or something similar. I will have a good read later.

Thanks for the info

This is a no go on so many levels for me.

Will NEVER have a BT line in my house again.
Ukonline at this time have NO capacity for ADSL2 in Warrington. "i can prove it as well"

This means i would have to use there upto 8 meg limited at 40 gig service. Thats crap as far as my usage goes " i used 12 gig in 2 days at the weekend".

I am happy with the service i get on my SKY+ but i am not and will never be happy having any form of BT connection in my house ever again.


I think that NTL will come out with a offer to match this in one way or another, Which means i can see my broadband price coming down soon.




Full update on BT's crap service in another thread shortly. Boy will it be fun. My line moves tomorrow thank god.

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Originally Posted by James Henry

The network needs constant and ongoing investment to maintain and upgrade it, infact a lot of areas are nearing the end of useful life of a lot of components, so to say they don't have to invest isn't really accurate.

If ntl start offering internet service at really low / free prices where is their money going to come from?

Looking at the increase in complaints here the network is already not being that well maintained, and with a load of cost cutting and firing of engineers this won't really improve. Take away revenue from broadband services it just gets worse.

Neil - ntlworld dialup.

The problem is not UKonline "aka SKY" but BT. The upgrades to your network would come to nothing if BT treat all there customers as they have treated me. Ukonline can have a superb network but it's BT's inferior copper which lets you down.

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Originally Posted by handyman

Ntl's should be able to match or better it. After all they have already offered completly free internet.

They don't have to invest in a network either to do it as they already have a broadband ready network and a connection at every property that offers digital TV.

Ukonline could not offer me LLU . They sold me ADSL2+ LLU but gave me 2 meg ove a BT connection . They then lied and told me they would upgrade me to adsl2+. They never did it and still have NOT upgraded there Dslam in Warrington exchange at this time. Thats 3 months and they still have NOT upgraded it. That means that anyone in Warrington that upgrades to sky at the moment would have to go on the BT ipstream network. Now i am sure that Ukonline aka Sky will upgrade the mux, However looking at there upgrade in warrington so far i would NOT hold my breath .

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by unlimited

<snip>

I can only agree and say that you've highlighted the advantage that ntl do have, they own the entire process and network end to end.

We'll see if they start to really take advantage of this. Either they do that or they will fail.

You and I as consumers are the winners here. Let the war begin, and pass the popcorn!

Originally Posted by James Henry

You and I as consumers are the winners here. Let the war begin, and pass the popcorn!

Indeed. I will pull up my deck chair and await the price cuts.

[cookie_365]

Am I right in thinking that if I go for the Max option (the only unlimited one) I have to pay:

• £10 a month for the BB
• £12 a month for the BT phoneline
• £5 a month for Sky Talk
• £15 a month for the basic Sky digi TV package

Since I've long since dumped my landline phone (email & free mobile minutes do me) that doesn't look too competitive against £25 pm NTL BB.

Or am I missing something?

[paul11974]

so the cheapest deal on offer is £42 ?