[Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster - Page 11

TheBlueRaja · 14-07-2006, 21:36

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Originally Posted by Druchii

So, you've never seen the 5Ghz Conroe project? etc...

Yeah, i have but, like most overclockers, i dont really have access to phase change cooling...

Druchii · 14-07-2006, 21:39

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Yeah, i have but, like most overclockers, i dont really have access to phase change cooling...

Oh, you meant to say doesn't overclock too well on air or water. Well, there ya go. Not seen much done on it as of yet. So no comment.

TheBlueRaja · 14-07-2006, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Druchii

Oh, you meant to say doesn't overclock too well on air or water. Well, there ya go. Not seen much done on it as of yet. So no comment.

Well, what i meant was they they werent ment to be great overclockers (for your average joe), an AMD 2500+ is probably great at O/Cing with a tub of liquid oxygen keeping it cool.

I could be wrong as there is little info on it like you say - i was hoping Zingle would come back with a "I saw this thread here where they are overclocking the ass off them" and point us to it as i might go for the Core 2 instead of a the 805 given that the bottom end Core 2 is only about ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£125 quid and it would run on the same board i was planning on getting for the 805 anyway.

14-07-2006, 22:24

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Well I got all my parts from a local place who I only use on occassion http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/ they can be bought cheaper ive seen the 805 as low as 72 quid I think

The board cpu ram and 200 gig sata was less than 300

Sorry 82 quid at aria Ive downclocked the whole machine now to 3.5 gig with the latent temps I was getting throttling at 3.7 but only when the cpu is under 100% load at 3.5 there appears to be no throttling at all

Are you going for it dude ??

BTW my conroe build could be as little as 2 weeks away now im excited about that

Dude, what do you intend to do with your Conroe? Apparently Core 2 isnt that great at overclocking.

the E6600 at stock performs slightly better than my 805 clocked to 3.7 gig in the arithmetic test but in multimedia tests it absolutely wee's on the 805. I will be happy leaving it at stock or maybe just tweaking it a little

its going to be my main machine with an x1900xtx so its gonna be my main toy

I did see this however

http://www.xbitlabs.com/web/display/20060622104416.html

^^^^ they think the bottom end with hit 3.5 gig

TheBlueRaja · 14-07-2006, 22:41

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

the E6600 at stock performs slightly better than my 805 clocked to 3.7 gig in the arithmetic test but in multimedia tests it absolutely wee's on the 805. I will be happy leaving it at stock or maybe just tweaking it a little

its going to be my main machine with an x1900xtx so its gonna be my main toy

I did see this however

http://www.xbitlabs.com/web/display/20060622104416.html

^^^^ they think the bottom end with hit 3.5 gig

Hmmm, now those are the stats i was interested in (yours not xbitlabs), an 805 is only slightly worse than a core 2 at 3.7. So thats a 230 quid CPU against an 80 quid CPU and the difference isnt that much (at doing pi), but real world stuff (which is at the end of the day what we use the bloody things for) seems to be a lot better on Core2.

I wouldnt mind knowing how well the E63/400's do as they could very well be the best bang for buck.

I'll go off and have a look at your linky. Ta man!

EDIT: thats what we discussed above as that used the following:-

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liquid nitrogen cooling system and performed significant voltage regulator modifications on the mainboard.

Not really something you or i have access to and that was also a pre-release conroe (i never trust pre-release stuff).

14-07-2006, 23:35

No well I was actually considering sticking with my overclock until I put it on sisoft sandra.The newest version of this has benchmarks for the conroes and this is where I saw the differences. I will overclock my conroe a bit im sure ill get a feww 100 mhz extra out of it

and the multimedia test results are very impressive.I just wish I could have one now

popper · 15-07-2006, 02:58

you might want to read the OS news linked story
http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_i...0&threshold=-5
"
After an 18-page in-depth review of Intel's new processor line, The Tech Report concludes: "After years of wandering in the wilderness, Intel has recaptured the desktop CPU performance title in dramatic fashion. Both the Core 2 Extreme X6800 and the Core 2 Duo E6700 easily outperform the Athlon 64 FX-62 across a range of applications - and the E6600 is right in the hunt, as well. Not only that, but the Core 2 processors showed no real weaknesses in our performance tests."

http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15189
"AMD executives said this week that they will promote its '4x4' enthusiast platform to counter the Core 2 Duo. AMD also plans to push a sort of 'performance number' into the market to redefine how consumers should think about power. The 4x4 platform will place two physical sockets on a motherboard, connected by AMD's Direct Connect architecture. Mounted on each socket will be an AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor, for a total of 4 cores. An eight-core '8X8' program will roll out in 2007."

i do wish they would put at least as good an SIMD (Single Instruction, Multiple Data) as the G4 PPC Altivec co-pro on the x86 though, its way past time, and the current sse2/3 dont cut it, were as the Altivec was 128 bit all the way through from day one (a very long time ago now) , there are moves to improve it, but that wont be seen anytime soon, we need a co-pro thats able to cope with the HD AVC MBAFF decoding/encoding without blinking in all the x86 cpu's.

15-07-2006, 08:55

^ that just shows why im excited about the new build lol

Skatoony · 15-07-2006, 11:37

It seems the Core 2 (X6800) is still faster than an FX-62 even when it's just running off the clock speed and not even using Intel's new 128-bit SSE. Someone on the climateprediction.net project had one for the weekend to test, and ran a model on it. All I can say is, it totally blown away every other CPU on the project.

popper · 15-07-2006, 14:57

have you got a link to that post?.

i admit that iv not kept that close an eye on the intel 128bit SSE, but i seem to rememeber its still lacking compared to the Altivec and your only getting the benifit because of the extra cpu clock speed (good as that is now), any urls/pointers to the tech info?.

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

No well I was actually considering sticking with my overclock until I put it on sisoft sandra.The newest version of this has benchmarks for the conroes and this is where I saw the differences. I will overclock my conroe a bit im sure ill get a feww 100 mhz extra out of it

and the multimedia test results are very impressive.I just wish I could have one now

lol, get some of this stuff and you might do a little better
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32959
"OVERCLOCKERS ARE AN odd bunch, and tend to evoke terms usually used in conjunction with mad movie scientists.
Strangely, it is because they tend to be mad scientists. One of the things you read about now and again is attempts at fluid immersion, and on top of that, fluid immersion with extreme cooling. I ran into a new toy for those attempts at Semicon today, a fluid called Galden."

Skatoony · 15-07-2006, 18:37

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Originally Posted by popper

have you got a link to that post?.

It's quite a long thread, but the post about the Conroe's speed while it was tested is in this post: http://www.climateprediction.net/boa...?p=47673#47673.

popper · 17-07-2006, 05:55

heres that old news now, that may improve the likes of SIMD in AMD chips, and intel also have other firm in talks.
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Art...ssorlinkup.htm

"Clearspeed in talks with AMD about co-processor

Clearspeed, the Bristol parallel processor company, is in talks with AMD about developing a closely-coupled co-processor to soup up the AMD multi-core family of x86 processors.

future product for AMD is QuadCore, due out next year, a four-core microprocessor delivering double the performance of AMD’s current two-core product, DualCore.
"
http://www.clearspeed.com/downloads/...Whitepaper.pdf
http://www.clearspeed.com/pressrelea...06%20final.pdf

17-07-2006, 09:31

Knew about the quad core on the bench for ages but Intel has these on the cards to anyway.The long and the short of it is AMD ruled the roost till the conroe abd Intel will now rule the roost till Next generation cpus tale end of this year early next

popper · 17-07-2006, 15:15

yea , the quad and the 8x8 servers are old news.

the one part many seem to ignore or just plain forget, is the Clearspeed Co-Pro type tech, and how (if indeed it does find its way on to the chip itself) it could/would help immensely in the general calculations department for instance.

intel are evaluating them and others too, so its hoped that something far better than now will eventually land on the chip but not for a while yet it seems.

17-07-2006, 16:37

Yeah but the Conroe is still gonna be the dogs doo dars lol lol I will upgrade again when all that whatsit and ooogemaflip is integrated