The anyone but England thread! - Page 32

**Hugh** · 21-06-2006, 11:10

Unfortunately,

this is what it can lead to!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5101184.stm

orangebird · 21-06-2006, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Been explained loads of times in this thread, it's not our problem if you haven't read it yet!

Me too.

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In some parts of Wales possibly - but that's like saying when I lived in Oxford for 6 months in 2001 I found out that anti-Welsh and nationalist feelings exist in England.

You get it anywhere mate!

Yes, you do. It's a shame. When my friend was living in South Wales (just outside Brigdend

), I used to go there most weekends. A bit rough tbh, but the welsh seem a very fun loving humourous bunch of people. I had a right laugh, anyway! Although, when she was looking for a house, she was warned away from certain areas by the welsh estate agent, as some villages didn't like english people apparently...

Russ · 21-06-2006, 12:03

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Although, when she was looking for a house, she was warned away from certain areas by the welsh estate agent, as some villages didn't like english people apparently...

Utter rubbish. A complete urban myth which belongs in the 1970s.

No doubt there exists a small level of ignorance, just like when I was in Oxford and was often told by the Sloane-types to "get back down the mines".

orangebird · 21-06-2006, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Utter rubbish. A complete urban myth which belongs in the 1970s.

Just telling what she was told

Russ · 21-06-2006, 12:16

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Just telling what she was told

She's either lying to you or that estate agent wasn't interested in the sale. It's possible that sort of thing occasionally happens in North Wales but it's definately rare down south. With the M4 we have a LOT of English people here. The only time it can cause a problem is in pubs if people are monged off their face and and an English person is speaking a little loud - and in those cases all that will happen is petty words might be spoken. This happened a few years ago when Neil and a few others came down to Swansea and we went to a pub - no trouble, just a few curious chavs.

**Chris** · 21-06-2006, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Russ D

She's either lying to you or that estate agent wasn't interested in the sale. It's possible that sort of thing occasionally happens in North Wales but it's definately rare down south. With the M4 we have a LOT of English people here. The only time it can cause a problem is in pubs if people are monged off their face and and an English person is speaking a little loud - and in those cases all that will happen is petty words might be spoken. This happened a few years ago when Neil and a few others came down to Swansea and we went to a pub - no trouble, just a few curious chavs.

I lived in Lampeter for three years, at University. There were several pubs it was understood students (specifically, English students) did not go into. The aftermath of the England v Wales Five Nations (as it then was) match was always a dodgy night to go out on the town, although the year Wales beat us (1993 IIRC) was the worst, as the local chafs (geddit) were roaming the street, steaming drunk, and picking fights with anyone passing by asking them 'are you English?' Nearby there was a farmer who resented there being a public footpath on his land and whose wife one day accosted a group of my friends who were out walking, yelling at them, 'I wish the IRA would bomb your f***ing college!'

Before and since university, I lived close enough to North Wales to be familiar with it, and the holiday home / estate agent firebombings that occurred during the 1980s, and I have English friends who live in Bala and who know that if they go into certain pubs in the outlying villages, they will get a hostile reception and any conversations taking place in English will immediately switch to Welsh. I have also driven the length and breadth of that magnificent country and have come across plenty of roadsigns whose English has been carefully painted out to leave them in Welsh only.

Bitter, anti-English nationalism is a sad reality in Wales today. I am sure it is a minority pursuit, and I love Wales, and have several Welsh friends. I have never met a Welsh individual I didn't like (apart from that farmer's wife). But I think it's a mistake to believe it is confined either to the 1970s, or the north.

Mal · 21-06-2006, 12:46

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Crouch did nothing yesterday and seeing as he was on a yellow already, another booking would have rendered him out for the next game anyway. And also, we could afford to lose the game, so why not bring on Walcott? He's played at under 21 national games - how is he supposed to get experience if the swede won't even play him? Waste of a plane ticket if you ask me. The swede should also have taken Defoe with him. Sometimes, I think the swede wants England to lose...

I just don't think that someone whos only first team experience is a few games in the championship, should be playing just yet for the international side. Get experience of club football first. Like I said, in a few years, just not now.

Russ · 21-06-2006, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Chris T

But I think it's a mistake to believe it is confined either to the 1970s, or the north.

I don't! You've said about your North Wallian experiences - Lampeter is a law unto it's own and the majority of us normal people won't go there

What you've said just indicates the vast minority attitude which is being erradicated - when was the last time you heard anything from Meibion Glyndwr? FWIW I absolutely condemn attacks, verbal or physical, on anyone due their nationality. Banter is another subject though!

I experienced anti-Welsh feeling in Oxford - you've experienced anti-English attitudes in Wales. It just goes to show the ignorance is all over the UK.

Bit off-topic mind.....

orangebird · 21-06-2006, 13:01

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Originally Posted by Mal

I just don't think that someone whos only first team experience is a few games in the championship, should be playing just yet for the international side. Get experience of club football first. Like I said, in a few years, just not now.

But he's already played for England under 21's. The swede should have played him yesterday, there was nothing to lose.

SlackDad · 21-06-2006, 13:10

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Originally Posted by Chris T

Bitter, anti-English nationalism is a sad reality in Wales today. I am sure it is a minority pursuit, and I love Wales, and have several Welsh friends. I have never met a Welsh individual I didn't like (apart from that farmer's wife). But I think it's a mistake to believe it is confined either to the 1970s, or the north.

Sadly, in Scotland too.

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Originally Posted by BBC

Attacks on a seven-year-old boy and 41-year-old man while wearing England shirts in Scotland are being treated as football-related racist assaults.

Terrible - he's seven for ****s sake! LINK

Russ · 21-06-2006, 13:12

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Originally Posted by SlackDad

Terrible - he's seven for ****s sake! LINK

Pathetic - mindless thuggery.

**Hugh** · 21-06-2006, 13:12

At the risk of repeating myself from another thread

With apologies to Baddiell and Skinner

He's coming home,
He's coming home
Owen's coming home.

Three minutes on the pitch,
Michael Owen stood dreaming
tripped on a piece of dirt
Like a girl lay screaming

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/5100516.stm

SlackDad · 21-06-2006, 13:13

On a lighter note apparently a conversation was overheard between Eriksson and Mclaren before the Sweden game. Sven said, 'you take the first half, i'll take the second'.

Russ · 21-06-2006, 13:23

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/5100516.stm

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Coach Sven-Goran Eriksson said: "I'm sorry for him. But we have many players who can take that second striker role."

"Many players"??

Let's count them. Crouch? Ok. Rooney? Still not 100%. Walcott? Unproven. Gerrard? Out of position. Ditto Lampard and Joe Cole.

gazzae · 21-06-2006, 13:26

Just back from a Stag do in Magaluf. Had some great banter with a few England fans over there, others didn't really like our banter. How we avoided a kicking I'll never know!