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Old 03-11-2003, 16:29   #1
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anyone know anymore about this?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33741.html

it'll be a bit stupid on MSs part to not make the XBox2 compatible with XBox games, but then again, just because its a different processor doesnt mean it cant play the games ( Emulator anyone? ) I would imagine that the speed of processors available for an XBox2 could emulate several XBox CPUs and have clock cycles to spare....
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anyone know anymore about this?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33741.html

it'll be a bit stupid on MSs part to not make the XBox2 compatible with XBox games, but then again, just because its a different processor doesnt mean it cant play the games ( Emulator anyone? ) I would imagine that the speed of processors available for an XBox2 could emulate several XBox CPUs and have clock cycles to spare....
erm. why is it stupid? just cause the PS2 can use PS1 games? its the only console thats backwards compatible with its predecessor. GC can play N64 games, which can't play SNES games which can't play NES games. DC couldn't play Saturn games, which couldn't play Mega-Drive games, which couldn't play Master System games.

The PS2 could do it, because by the time it was released, the PS had been out so long that its main CPU was cheap enough to be used as part of the controller port functionality on the PS2. Therefore the PS2 was able to play PS1 games. I don't know if they plan to continue that logic with the PS3 vs PS2. I know that I never played any PS1 games on my PS2.

I for one hope, and suspect, that Xbox2 (which is still a LONGGGGGG way off) will not support Xbox titles. I'd expect the technology leap in CPU and Graphics to be significant enough that it would be impossible, short of including the Xbox CPU and Graphics chips in there in addition to the Xbox 2 architecture. And that would bump the cost of the machine up unnecessarily. I think its fairly safe to assume that XB2 will not be backwards compatible with XB1. Though why you care right now???? Its several years away, and there's plenty in the world of XB to be going on with right now.
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Re: IBM chips for XBox2??
I agree Zero....who cares if Xbox2 can play Xbox1 titles....we have a Xbox1 for them!...anyway...by the time Xbox2 comes...we wont want to play Xbox1 titles anyway!

...unless there's a release lull
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I agree Zero....who cares if Xbox2 can play Xbox1 titles....we have a Xbox1 for them!...anyway...by the time Xbox2 comes...we wont want to play Xbox1 titles anyway!

...unless there's a release lull
So all the titles you have now will suddenly become terrible games when the XBox 2 comes out? Still, can`t complain, it will mean that the S/H titles will drop in price markedly so I can flesh out my collection even more
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No-one's saying that dr... what I'm saying is Do you play Max Payne 1 when 2 came out! (for the PC)...or will you play PGR1 when PGR2 comes out...you get the generlised picture?

If I want to play Xbox1 games...then I'll er play them on my Xbox1 console!
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Re: IBM chips for XBox2??
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Re: IBM chips for XBox2??
Interesting.

My take is that back-wards compatibility may not be as big a concern for all of us. The reason I say this is because the Xbox may well be the first console where getting spare parts is going to be relatively easy if modders are to be believed. We know that the DVD and Hard drives can be replaced easily. How about the rest of the box?
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No-one's saying that dr... what I'm saying is Do you play Max Payne 1 when 2 came out! (for the PC)...or will you play PGR1 when PGR2 comes out...you get the generlised picture?

If I want to play Xbox1 games...then I'll er play them on my Xbox1 console!
Yes I do play the older iterations of games, just because I have SSX3 I will still play Tricky, I still play HotD2 despite having HotD3. As for your example, Max Payne never appealed to me, and I also didn`t like the handling model in PGR so I stuck with its prequel on the DC. A well done sequel doesn`t supplant the original game, it compliments it.
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I guess alot depends on how many XBox2 games are out when the console is released. I think the main reason the backwards compatibilty helped the PS2 was that there werent many games out when it was released ( afaik ) so the compatibility ment people could get some 'classic' games and still play them on the new console. whether or not people who already had a ps1 saw it as an advantage is a different matter is suppose
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Re: IBM chips for XBox2??
From IBM's intranet...

Microsoft has selected IBM over Intel for the microprocessor technology that will power the next generation of the Xbox game console.

IBM earned this business because of its advanced chip technologies and deep development capabilities †” required to create the chips that will provide the performance the future Xbox will need †” which no one else in the industry can provide. The new Xbox systems will use chips based on IBM's family of state-of-the art processors.

"Competitive gamers are looking for gamemakers to provide greater functionality in game systems †” higher resolution and more realistic graphics, better sound quality, faster system response, wireless features, enhanced online gaming capabilities, even two-way audio," said John E. Kelly, III, senior vice president and group executive. "And the gamemakers are looking to us for technology that can deliver that kind of gaming experience."

IBM also is working with Sony Computer Entertainment to develop the processor for the next version of its Playstation game system, Playstation3. With involvement in both Xbox and Playstation3, IBM is the future of gaming when it comes to chips.

Intel: Denied!

Winning this deal unseats Intel, which provides the processors for the current Xbox systems. This is the second time in recent months that IBM has handed Intel such a setback. Earlier this year, IBM won the business to provide the processors for Apple's new G5 personal computer over Intel.

"We kept Intel out of the Apple G5 and now we've kicked them out of Xbox," said Jeff VerHeul, vice president, Engineering and Technology Services, who leads the team that won the Xbox business. "Not bad, considering one Intel executive recently called us 'trivial.' I wonder how trivial he thinks we are now."

The deal establishes IBM as the leading supplier of advanced chip technology to the gaming industry. IBM currently makes the processors for Nintendo's GameCube systems and recently began shipping in volume the GeForce FX advanced graphics processor for NVIDIA, the premier supplier of graphics chips for the gaming industry.

Two years ago, IBM began working with Sony to develop the processor for the next generation of its game system, PlayStation3. And now IBM has won the next-generation Xbox.
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Sounds like a choir doens't it... n1 on IBM...but these press releases make them sound surprised! Come on IBM...you're supposed to be a big boy!...and making the impression that you're a newbie doesn't distill confidence!

...yes I know the arm who'llbe doing this is only 1 year or so old...but it's still IBM and they're repurposed IBM'ers
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Sounds like a choir doens't it... n1 on IBM...but these press releases make them sound surprised! Come on IBM...you're supposed to be a big boy!...and making the impression that you're a newbie doesn't distill confidence!

...yes I know the arm who'llbe doing this is only 1 year or so old...but it's still IBM and they're repurposed IBM'ers
thats not a press release. its an internal ibm memo. and they are newbies in the console CPU market... and the mainstream home computer CPU market. i don't see anything in it to suggest surprise... other than perhaps surprise for intel.
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Re: IBM chips for XBox2??
It's pratically word for word from the press release tho, see my The Inquirer post above.

IBM are hardly new comers tho, considering their history of chip making and current projects, including the GameCube and PS3
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It's pratically word for word from the press release tho, see my The Inquirer post above.

IBM are hardly new comers tho, considering their history of chip making and current projects, including the GameCube and PS3
to be honest, this is a very small thing for IBM. hardware aint where its at in IT these days, its all services.
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Go Next! ...this stop them pesky hackers!
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