The big question.. NTL or ADSL? - Page 2

Rik · 08-06-2006, 17:31

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Originally Posted by FusionXN1

The question is should i get NTL on the 10mb line?

Yes you should my line has been rock solid since I got a NTL 250 Modem, ive had the odd blip over the weekend with certain sites, but overall im EXTREMELY HAPPY with my 10Meg Connection, 1205kB/s Down on Newsgroups everyday! never goes lower.

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

Well in Hertfordshire anyway.

FusionXN1 · 08-06-2006, 17:36

same thing in grimsby though thats 2 people say they get 1200 to 1300 all day long... hmm Anyone in the DN35 area wanna confirm?

**Chris** · 08-06-2006, 18:38

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Originally Posted by FusionXN1

Yep no crap copper..

What do you mean?

I think Handyman meant caning, as in to metaphorically beat the **** out of your connection with an instrument of corporal punishment ... in plainer terms, abusing the service. Even a provider of uncapped broadband would consider 124GB in one month to be unfair use. But then, if it was a one-off, you're unlikely to come to the attention of the ISP's AUP team, so I wouldn't worry.

IanGuy · 08-06-2006, 19:28

My friend gets up to 9 meg on 10mb from NTL. I suppose it really does depend on where you live.

He mostly only obtains around an 8meg speed.

Chrysalis · 08-06-2006, 20:12

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Originally Posted by RealDiamond

Yep Most Adsl uses the same crap network of BT so it doesnt matter who you buy from. BT controlls the speed due to it being thier WIRE.

not for LLU

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Originally Posted by FusionXN1

Well every street has there own bandwidth (According to NTL 20 people at max will ever use the same fiber) thats how Cable works and I;m not a big downloader.. the most i have every downloaded in 1 month is 128gb and that was because i formatted and lost all programs, game mods and addons etc.. So don't worry.

I'm ADSL now always on with a router.. i hear the D-Link gamelounge DGL-4300 is a good one for NTL and telewest cable.. Anyone have this on NTL?

Thanks for all of this BT does have a 882kb up on its Max but its ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£40.00 a month and still 8mb and with NTL getting 24 - 30mb end of the year (accoring to an "insider" they will to compete with LLUs) i think the right choice would be NTL... Seen as it's all fiber and not just fiber over BT's big fat pipes.

And no - the exchange was very lucky! I'm right near the beach (3 minute walk at tops) very nice house

Just out of question - as I will be getting 10MB, TV Family pack and Telephone from NTL can i get a deal via the phone? Also will i get a NTL 250 modem for 10mb?

thsi 30mbit romour strikes again :/ ntl are in the middle of cost cutting, they are suddenly going to change their spending policy to allow them to rollout a 30mbit service?

also sorry to burst your bubble but I think ntl are contending at higher then 20:1 now days, and its more then 1 street that uses a cabinet, I was using a street cab a few streets away.

FusionXN1 · 08-06-2006, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

not for LLU

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thsi 30mbit romour strikes again :/ ntl are in the middle of cost cutting, they are suddenly going to change their spending policy to allow them to rollout a 30mbit service?

also sorry to burst your bubble but I think ntl are contending at higher then 20:1 now days, and its more then 1 street that uses a cabinet, I was using a street cab a few streets away.

Dont have LLU and don't shoot the messenger :P I read that today on NTL's website!

Chrysalis · 08-06-2006, 20:35

please post url to link please and state where it is on the page thanks.

etccarmageddon · 08-06-2006, 20:41

NTL state they contend at 20 to 1.

jtwn · 08-06-2006, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

thsi 30mbit romour strikes again :/ ntl are in the middle of cost cutting, they are suddenly going to change their spending policy to allow them to rollout a 30mbit service?

Don't carry on with that unless you want egg on your face in the future

Paradox26 · 08-06-2006, 21:17

Coming to think of it, I've found that cable is usually better than DSL [exluding LLU, before you LLU people start on me =]] when it works! [When it works - can't stress the point enough]

Compared to people I know on DSL, my pings are always less to the same server, my speeds will always hit 2Meg, day or night and the only prob Ive had so far is with TV for which a cable repull has been decided.

It really boils down to the area where you live and how many people will be sharing your bandwidth. Eg. For my street I reckon hardly anyone has ntl cable so I can max out my connection any time of the day on newsgroups plus my connection is rock solid 24/7.

The only thing that seems to be playing up atm are ntl's DNS servers. But that should hopefully be fixed soon. I would now only go DSL if I were offered an amazing deal that I could not turn down, otherwise for the near future I will be sticking with ntl [roll on 4 Meg]

Theres a fair few factors involved like cost, people in your area, so it's probably best to and use the net at a mates house in the same area with cable to find out how it works. If its not your cup of tea then DSL it is.

Oh yeh P.S. if you do get cable, make sure its all installed properly by the engineer [which it hopefully should]. The guy who did our BB via SACM did a great job and theres never been a problem in the 1.5 years we've had it. The TV install was dodgy, so we had to call out a tech to sort the levels after a poor install.

FusionXN1 · 08-06-2006, 21:32

K thanks will do.. and heres the link:

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Q. I've heard that contention ratios differ between cable and ADSL broadband. Can you explain?
A. Yes. We have engineered our local access network to provide a 20:1 contention ratio in comparison to a number of ADSL providers who have contention ratios as high as 50:1. The "contention ratio" is the number of customers that share one unit of data capacity, meaning the lower the contention ratio the higher the quality of the local access network.

http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/theco....asp?section=3

popper · 08-06-2006, 21:53

ofcourse its even better if your 'only 120 metres from the Co-Location/ISP and can string a nice RJ45 across to your 1GIG or even 10GIG network card and put a nice PC in the Co-Locations rackspace.

you might use the new wireless 11N but wouldn't get the speed that way

Shaun · 08-06-2006, 22:26

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Originally Posted by FusionXN1

Yep no crap copper..

...and coax is made from?

Personally I take the technology out of it when I make my decision on ISP it doesn't help - Ntl are crap in my area BT are fine and Bulldog are great (connection wise). Prejudices over technology are just silly.

You really need to just plump for on one and hope it's o.k. - if it's not then when your contract runs out then change

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According to NTL 20 people at max will ever use the same fiber

They talk about contention not fibres.

FusionXN1 · 08-06-2006, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Shaun

...and coax is made from?

Personally I take the technology out of it when I make my decision on ISP it doesn't help - Ntl are crap in my area BT are fine and Bulldog are great (connection wise). Prejudices over technology are just silly.

You really need to just plump for on one and hope it's o.k. - if it's not then when your contract runs out then change

They talk about contention not fibres.

Im using that and whats in the current issue of custom pc - they say how cable works.. yes coax is copper but not the same as a very old copper telephone line i have now... And yes my point proven 20:1 contention and in the custom pc mag it says about people down 1 street share a certain amount of bandwidth etc.. Anyway back on topic.. Should i jump on the NTL train or stay on BT?

Stu038 · 09-06-2006, 00:36

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Originally Posted by FusionXN1

And yes my point proven 20:1 contention and in the custom pc mag it says about people down 1 street share a certain amount of bandwidth etc..

Sorry mate but I think you need to read up a bit on contention ratios

Your quote states

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The "contention ratio" is the number of customers that share one unit of data capacity

The operative words here are one unit of data capacity. Not one fibre
A single fibre can feed between 200 and 600 homes. Going on an estimated penetration of 25% thats between 50 and 150 other customers. The bandwidth laid down by the DOCCIS protocols are 27MB on the Langely platform or 36MB on the Bromley platform. In simple terms that's per fibre or as we said that 50 to 150 other customers. Contention ratios aren't anywhere as simple as that though but I don't want to take away the wonders of google for you

Another thing to remember is not to confuse network bandwidth with upload or download speeds. Oh and never believe the media

In answer to your original question working for em I'm biased but personally I've had less problems over the last few years than most of my mates who are on BT or the various other providers