Speed Increases 1st June - 2meg to 4meg

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

well I moan because they waste channels on ntl rolling adverts and shopping channels , interesting you pointed out about tv not making ntl cash, maybe they should just cut their tv service here and sort out the broadband? so cutting their losses.

Yeah, I'd go along that route

we have the basic TV pack, occasionaly I get to watch the sport channel ... but more often than not junior is watching Boomerang, and that's all it gets used for. Wife watches the normal 5 channels through the aerial - not the box

I can't see us being in a minority over this either, if they upgraded the basic TV pack by including some of the better channels (Bravo, Sci-Fi, and 1 movie channel for example) and got rid of the garbage (you all know the ones) and then charged a higher fee (£20 ??) I guess more would be willing to take it on and keep it. We currently have it under the 3 for £30 scheme, and I'm wondering how much "cable resources" this uses, for the give away price, that could maybe be put to better use

[Locky]

i would take 1 / 1 for £25 a month, i do a lot of upload, some torrents but most to the likes of rapidshare yousendit and megaupload

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by Locky

i would take 1 / 1 for £25 a month, i do a lot of upload, some torrents but most to the likes of rapidshare yousendit and megaupload

Not a chance in hell of getting that service for that price, and even less of a chance if you're dumping dodgy stuff onto the web for other people to download.

£25 for 1/1 with upload that'll get hammered... Not likely at all.

However ignore me, I never understood the fascination with uploading lots, more of a client/server man myself who notes that if you want to upload lots you can rent a server in a datacentre on a 100Mbit port.

Only problem there is oh noes! that'll actually cost money, and sticking moviez gamez warez and pr0n onto the web isn't tolerated by most hosting providers.

EDIT: BTW I'm not necessarily saying that you stick illegal material on the internet with your connection, just that 9/10ths of people who want extra upload to upload large amounts are.

[jtwn]

Isn't that what the internet is all about though, a large part of it at least

[Locky]

i actualy was thinkin of a 100mbit unemtred server but these dont come cheap, as i am at colege and only do weekend i aint rich, and gu no need to be so agressive about it all, is it anything to do with you what i upload ?

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by Locky

i actualy was thinkin of a 100mbit unemtred server but these dont come cheap, as i am at colege and only do weekend i aint rich, and gu no need to be so agressive about it all, is it anything to do with you what i upload ?

Where did I say it was? I don't care what you do I'm just pointing out that what you do isn't liked by cable ISPs and to run a warez hub will cost a lot more than you're prepared to pay.

Fact you're being defensive tells the story nicely btw. As I said I don't care. If it's a sore point don't advertise it on internet forums by talking about how much you like to use Bittorrent and anonymous uploading services.

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Originally Posted by jtwn

Isn't that what the internet is all about though, a large part of it at least

Well no, it's a major use of it and a major PITA for service providers. However while the legal content isn't available then it's not really surprising things go as they do. Have no sympathy for people who download for the sake of it though, nor people who send out endless amounts of gack on resi lines. Pay per GB for the win

[mcmanic]

Bittorrent and anonymous uploading services are the curse of all internet isp problems, ban them all

[James Henry]

Originally Posted by mcmanic

Bittorrent and anonymous uploading services are the curse of all internet isp problems, ban them all

Looking at these *expletive expletive* traffic graphs and how much that poop is costing compared to how much these guys are paying I would love to.

Have to settle for throttling it I guess

[Locky]

ADMIN EDIT (Russ) - Offensive comments removed.

[agatward]

Originally Posted by popper

one thing i think could be done with any new commissioned kit STB/CM/etc is to include a mobile/WiMax or even the new 11N chipset with Mesh networking included, then a whole new private/wireless network could be built up over time and be used as a base for a multicasting/P2P distribution for both the users and the core NTL Near/VOD for instance.

You've obviously not tried multicasting over wireless where you have multiple paths to / from your APs. Not pleasant to say the least, even with PIM-SM.

Originally Posted by James Henry

Well no, it's a major use of it and a major PITA for service providers. However while the legal content isn't available then it's not really surprising things go as they do. Have no sympathy for people who download for the sake of it though, nor people who send out endless amounts of gack on resi lines.

I agree. I maintain the backbone of a residential network at a University (4700 student bedrooms on it) and I have to say that the P2P traffic is the biggest PITA. It's an ongoing battle between the software the students run and firmware updates for our traffic shapers on the border. Luckily as we're essentially a closed environment, we have the power to take the students through disciplinaries involving their Personal Tutors or Head of School if they become too much of a problem

One of my friends in Sweden has a 100 / 10 connection at home, delivered on fibre. Contention ratio is 50:1. It costs him 300 SEK per month (approximately £22.50) . If only the UK had been more prepared for the technological age!

On a different note, I still want to know when / if NTL will be rolling out PIM-SM or similar to their CM network. There's a lot of nice multicast content available at http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/channels.shtml - of course if NTL won't be doing native multicast any time soon then I'll just tunnel it on to the network at work, but that involves effort!

[James Henry]

I was just pointing out that excessive uploading is a pain to cable networks. ntl have in the past applied upload caps to areas, Coventry comes to mind, as upload traffic outstripped download so heavily.

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Originally Posted by agatward

One of my friends in Sweden has a 100 / 10 connection at home, delivered on fibre. Contention ratio is 50:1. It costs him 300 SEK per month (approximately £22.50) . If only the UK had been more prepared for the technological age!

On a different note, I still want to know when / if NTL will be rolling out PIM-SM or similar to their CM network. There's a lot of nice multicast content available at http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/channels.shtml - of course if NTL won't be doing native multicast any time soon then I'll just tunnel it on to the network at work, but that involves effort!

Sweden the infrastructure was a combination of being built by Government and builders receiving tax breaks. Here we're far too busy wasting taxes to consider investing as being an option, plus we're a bit more free market than Sweden.

Native muticast isn't really going to be something that turns ntl on, as they are after all a provider of TV services. Hopefully they'll move to 'switched' CATV services which will allow more efficient use of their spectrums and permit more VoD options.

[agatward]

Originally Posted by James Henry

Native muticast isn't really going to be something that turns ntl on, as they are after all a provider of TV services. Hopefully they'll move to 'switched' CATV services which will allow more efficient use of their spectrums and permit more VoD options.

True but what a lot of people forget is that it's not just used for TV / video conferences. Software patches and the like can be distributed via this method for minimal-impact updating. Imagine if something popular like World of Warcraft was to use multicast carousels instead of bittorrent for its patches. Ok this isn't likely to happen anytime soon but technically it's a good solution.

And regarding VoD you can pretty much guarantee that:

1. It'll either be STB only, or:
2. Will involve lots of DRM which breaks horribly
3. Won't work under MacOS
4. Won't work under Linux
5. Probably won't work under Windows either because it'll keep crashing.
6. They'll use M$ services rather than something decent (hmm... BT springs to mind here too).

Anyway don't know why I'm still up and ranting on the forums... off to bed for me.

[James Henry]

VoD is and will remain STB only to be honest.

The idea of people having fast P2P connectivity won't appeal to ntl as they like most other providers of their type want to be a bit more than just a dumb pipe bandwidth supplier, they like some element of control over what is going through their bandwidth.

In ntl's case if people all start doing P2P trading of tv shows it means potentially less TV revenue, and P2P VoIP means less telephony revenue, so there really is no incentive there.

Besides ntl's network will become more defined when they move to a deeper metro ethernet model which shouldn't be too far off.

http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/12279

Is the Comcast US deployment of deep ethernet into their cable system, Converged Regional Access Network they call it, but same thing deeper ethernet segmentation on network.

BTW The stuff about doing a CRAN stylie deep ethernet metronet meaning that you can with very little work upgrade to billions of megabits per second isn't the case

Originally Posted by James Henry

http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/12279

Is the Comcast US deployment of deep ethernet into their cable system, Converged Regional Access Network they call it, but same thing deeper ethernet segmentation on network.

BTW The stuff about doing a CRAN stylie deep ethernet metronet meaning that you can with very little work upgrade to billions of megabits per second isn't the case

you are such a tease

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

well I moan because they waste channels on ntl rolling adverts and shopping channels , interesting you pointed out about tv not making ntl cash, maybe they should just cut their tv service here and sort out the broadband? so cutting their losses.

They probably don't think it is a waste of channels since they now own some of the most successful shopping channels such as Bid.tv, price-drop.tv, speedauction.tv and screenshop.