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Bifta · 30-10-2003, 00:36

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

Well, I remember when a mod was part of the community and as such was 'voted in' to some extent by the members of that community.

I also remember seeing the position of Moderator being available to all to apply for.

I don't however remember seeing any of this for Fraz's position. I find this odd, esp. given Fraz's nature of posting over the past year or so.

I don't intend to start listing quotes from posts made by Fraz to back up anything I have said, but please feel free to trawl nthellworld.com and ntlhell.co.uk and look for posts made by Fraz which are more than 6mths old.

Having said that, I do accept that he may do some good. In fact, I feel it is inevitable that he does 'some' good. I'm just concerned about the way he got the position given his history, thass all.

So correct me if I'm wrong, your beef is with NTL appointing someone as a moderator and not with the actual choice of person? So if for example it had been say .. Russ or ... you, or someone you really got on well with, you'd have still given up posting on NTHW.com?

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Bifta

So correct me if I'm wrong, your beef is with NTL appointing someone as a moderator and not with the actual choice of person? So if for example it had been say .. Russ or ... you, or someone you really got on well with, you'd have still given up posting on NTHW.com?

My beef is with Fraz being apointed in that way.

If there had been a thread making the position available and Fraz posted an interest, I would have taken that oppertunitie to post my feelings.

If someone I 'like' had got the position in the same way Fraz did, no I would not stop posting there, but I would question the method with which they were appointed.

I have left because BOTH reasons combined, Fraz being appointed AND the way it was done.

[Edit] Sorry, missed this...
If I had been goffered the possition, I would have asked Neil to make the post publicly available first, as I'm sure lots of people would be starting similar threads to this one about me!

Bifta · 30-10-2003, 00:46

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

My beef is with Fraz being apointed in that way.

If there had been a thread making the position available and Fraz posted an interest, I would have taken that oppertunitie to post my feelings.

If someone I 'like' had got the position in the same way Fraz did, no I would not stop posting there, but I would question the method with which they were appointed.

I have left because BOTH reasons combined, Fraz being appointed AND the way it was done.

[Edit] Sorry, missed this...
If I had been goffered the possition, I would have asked Neil to make the post publicly available first, as I'm sure lots of people would be starting similar threads to this one about me!

This one amuses me somewhat, you've said that it's inevitable that he does some good (obviously in his new position as admin) yet, because of your personal feelings towards him you decided to give up posting on nthw. I doubt "sorely missed" is a phrase I could apply in this instance.

Anyhow, work tomorrow, must sleep .. enjoy.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 00:50

IMPO, I don't think many people will miss me and indeed some will be glad to see the back of me.

Sleep well

Russ · 30-10-2003, 07:35

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Yes, amply proved by him dragging up personal history, enough to try and prove he's the bad guy but enough to not let everyone know the full facts.

A lot of things simply cannot be linked to: the team emails I sent and recieved regarding Fraz (in fact ALL the emails that came in to my team inbox) are saved somewhere on my HD, because of the assurances I gave the team when I left that I wouldn't reveal any confidential emails, I'm not going to put them on here. But for the sceptics, I suggest you ask the .com admin team to confirm without going in to detail whether or not Fraz has caused them problem in the past that saw them going to the head of the AUP to complain.

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... and as a christian, one might assume Russ would have "forgiven his sins" and not base what Fraz might add to nthw on any previous activities.

Don't try and tell me how to be a Christian.

I've already said that Fraz will be able to bring his knowledge of security matters to the admin position. As one of many people who have experienced how 'mischeivous' (sorry to use that word again) he can be, it would be like, on a lesser scale, asking CJ to return as Admin. You can't reaaly compare the two situations but if you think of it in terms of the preblems they have caused, it makes you wonder how such a person managed to be taken on by.com, unless the 'powers that be' decided a company man needs to be on the team.

Xaccers · 30-10-2003, 08:06

I wish someone would write a book about everything CJ, Fraz, KA, et al did, I'm sure it would make a riveting read!
(ok, I'd settle for someone just giving me a breif overview)

**Maggy** · 30-10-2003, 08:44

perhaps anything of a personal nature that can't be proved either because there is no proof or there are promises not to use said proof that does exist should be avoided all together.it's very confusing to those of us who are out of the 'loop' so to speak.however if fraz is likely to be a problem in my ever needing to seek help on TOS i would like to know.

incog.

30-10-2003, 08:54

Fraz is an NTL employee, he seems reasonably fair and not afraid to critiscise where he feels it necessary.
I've crossed swords with him on a few points, never once saw any attitude form him.
Maybe he has caused problems, but were these problems because he wouldnt back down from his point of view or was he doing detrimental things to the site that affected other users, or maybe the mods at the time couldnt control him (which isnt fraz being the problem).

I think with his area of expertise then he is an invaluable memeber of the team. However it is my oppinion that .com has gone right down the ****ter and fraz wont be an admin there for long because the site is doomed.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 08:58

after a good nights sleep on thigs.....

I am glad I have left .com, I have no regrets.

Fraz was appointed as Admin of .com without any discussion with members or the existing moderating team.

At lease one existing admin has e-mailed AshG to reflect his disstaste at such a move which AFAIK has not been answered yet.

I get the feeling that AshG has just gone to prove to us that ntl are well into not listening to it's customers and just going ahead with whatever it likes.

I don;t think making Fraz an admin will close nthw.com overnight, but I'm giving the site no more than 6 months. If it does stay longer, it will be run by AshG and his puppets, rather than anyone who actually gives a toss about customers.

fraz · 30-10-2003, 09:16

Been a while since I used this login but I thought I'ld just pop up and say hello

A most illuminating thread I must say

Jon M · 30-10-2003, 09:27

/me awaits reactions to fraz's presence with morbid interest

Richard M · 30-10-2003, 09:33

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I wish someone would write a book about everything CJ, Fraz, KA, et al did, I'm sure it would make a riveting read!
(ok, I'd settle for someone just giving me a breif overview)

I don't think a brief overview would be possible...there's so much history on .com and .co.uk

We actually just banned KA again, last week.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 09:39

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Originally Posted by fraz

Been a while since I used this login but I thought I'ld just pop up and say hello

A most illuminating thread I must say

See?

You can't realy get much more ntl than that!

A discussion abotu Fraz, questioning the method by which he was appointed, he comes along to post and says NOTHING.

Oh how VERY ntl.....

30-10-2003, 09:43

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

See?

You can't realy get much more ntl than that!

A discussion abotu Fraz, questioning the method by which he was appointed, he comes along to post and says NOTHING.

Oh how VERY ntl.....

But on the other hand, he isnt rising to any of the critiscism he has received here. He simply let it be known he is aware of peoples thoughts.
He hasnt stirred up any trouble, just a friendly hi.
I just spent a while reading through the .com threa don this subject and Fraz gets a fair amount of stick and he has been nothing but polite.

I am alarmed that people here are dragging up the past especially when it does not relate to this site.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 09:47

Agreed.

But then I have allways found the peeps at tech support to be very polite, but they still DON'T LISTEN to what I say and tell me to reboot my modem and PC inthe hope I will hang up.

I also find the people who knock on my door and try to convince me to change my phone / electric / gas provider are polite too.

However, surely it would be beneficial to get involved in the discussion and maybee defend himself as to how he got the position instead of treading the saftey of "polite".