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Old 30-04-2006, 11:00   #106
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

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thats so wrong, at least generally labeling cable as less capable in the upload department.
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Cable systems in the UK have a range between 5 and 30MHz, 5 and 40MHz, 5 and 55MHz and in some cases 5 and 65MHz for upload use. Not all of this band is going to be usable due to the much higher ingress present in the upstream path.

The download spectrum can be as much as (in some areas) 54MHz to 880MHz.

Just a minor point that isn't as apparent as the specifications on the google searches you're doing to get the cable info.

Seems a little asymettrical to me in any case.

NTL's 2xx series modems are DOCSIS 2 compatible, they just appear to be skipping it and going to 3 instead.

I'd quite like to see higher upstream speeds, and think there should be some room there to increase them. Making them symettrical to help with torrent ratios isn't really an incredible commercial enticement to spend the required cash though.

FYI ntl's upstreams aren't even 10Mbit line rate Some Telewest areas with their magnificent 384kbps upstream on 10Mbit are however.

Moral of this story - upstream use is disproportionate to downstream use, another incentive to not offer symettrical services.

BTW you forgot to mention that sustained uploading on Optimum Online tends to cause them to reduce your upload to 128kbps for a while or until you phone in. Doubt that they'd tolerate torrenting at full pelt.
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

James Henry from what you know it seems docsis3 is happening although I have begun to not have any faith in ntl, what sort of time do you think we may be looking at to realistically actually be going thru a docsis3 on our home connections?
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Old 30-04-2006, 11:25   #108
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

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James Henry from what you know it seems docsis3 is happening although I have begun to not have any faith in ntl, what sort of time do you think we may be looking at to realistically actually be going thru a docsis3 on our home connections?
I have no idea. In your case possibly never, depends if they upgrade your local network to digital.

Some areas will get it commercial I imagine around the end of this year, next year they'll probably start really rolling it out.

Telewest side are much more advanced in the analogue switch off so will probably be rolled to all the Telewest network before the ntl one.
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

Sounds like what I expected, they will continue to have a postcode lottery then.

Docsis3 not even capable on a analogue network full stop?
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

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Sounds like what I expected, they will continue to have a postcode lottery then.

Docsis3 not even capable on a analogue network full stop?
Haha not without chopping a load of analogue channels, 1 per downstream.

Considering you've already complained about the channel package you have I can't see it happening can you?

If there were a spare 64MHz of downstream bandwidth I'd bet it'd be getting used for other things. Such as digital TV.

Last I knew ntl's TV people still had more of a say in where the spectrum went than internet. Internet pays the bills but TV can get punters in.
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

well I moan because they waste channels on ntl rolling adverts and shopping channels , interesting you pointed out about tv not making ntl cash, maybe they should just cut their tv service here and sort out the broadband? so cutting their losses.
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

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Cable systems in the UK have a range between 5 and 30MHz, 5 and 40MHz, 5 and 55MHz and in some cases 5 and 65MHz for upload use. Not all of this band is going to be usable due to the much higher ingress present in the upstream path.

The download spectrum can be as much as (in some areas) 54MHz to 880MHz.

Just a minor point that isn't as apparent as the specifications on the google searches you're doing to get the cable info.

Seems a little asymettrical to me in any case.

NTL's 2xx series modems are DOCSIS 2 compatible, they just appear to be skipping it and going to 3 instead.

I'd quite like to see higher upstream speeds, and think there should be some room there to increase them. Making them symettrical to help with torrent ratios isn't really an incredible commercial enticement to spend the required cash though.

FYI ntl's upstreams aren't even 10Mbit line rate Some Telewest areas with their magnificent 384kbps upstream on 10Mbit are however.

Moral of this story - upstream use is disproportionate to downstream use, another incentive to not offer symettrical services.

BTW you forgot to mention that sustained uploading on Optimum Online tends to cause them to reduce your upload to 128kbps for a while or until you phone in. Doubt that they'd tolerate torrenting at full pelt.
i must appologise, when i said "thats so wrong, at least generally labeling cable as less capable in the upload department." it was not my intention to imply that docsis cable is infact 'symmetrical' its clearly not, hence why that US firm is trialing that Narad Networks tech.

my intent was mearly to point out that given the upload and download rates we have had available to us so far, then that ment that the current docsis1 could be considered from at least from an end-users POV as capable of appearing 'symmetrical' even if its not really, and in that sense is just a capable as others old tech.

i dont get this constant bringing up of torrents all the time, it most be possible to produce a package to sell to these people at an extra cost to offset and encurage more profit. perhaps a simple 'pay as you go' paypoint account that you top up at any local shop, then have them go to the special NTL website/server to switch their cable modems over to the seperate channel or whatever for the hour or whatever they payed for, just one option of many to make it profitable and convenient i'd think.

what about offering them a second cable modem install on a special rate with say a 512k/512k ?, and/or 1m/1m wonder if there would be takers, not to mention it might be a good way to recycle the old modems as the new ones come into service.

your also in favour of better upstream, as im i, and probably a lot more, dont you think that many of these new video streaming devices and more i'v already mentioned have the potential to match or even exeed this ISP torrent aversion in taking the available bandwidth ?.

when you said "FYI ntl's upstreams aren't even 10Mbit line rate Some Telewest areas with their magnificent 384kbps upstream on 10Mbit are however." i dont get it, are you saying that for instance the wythenshawe's baguley centre nynex/C&W/NTL network or cables is in some way lacking shall we say ?, whats wrong and what needs replacing ?.
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

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what about offering them a second cable modem install on a special rate with say a 512k/512k ?, and/or 1m/1m wonder if there would be takers, not to mention it might be a good way to recycle the old modems as the new ones come into service.
I'd take a 2mb/2Mb for the same price as my 4mb/384. The reasoning behind it is i'm sick of slow upload speeds i do alot of high file size uploading to my friends, usually movies of our last outing etc. So ,yeah, i'd go for this.
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

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I'd take a 2mb/2Mb for the same price as my 4mb/384. The reasoning behind it is i'm sick of slow upload speeds i do alot of high file size uploading to my friends, usually movies of our last outing etc. So ,yeah, i'd go for this.
every other customer on ntl woud do the same if cud get 2 / 2 for £25 pm lol, maybe in another 3,000 years
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every other customer on ntl woud do the same if cud get 2 / 2 for £25 pm lol, maybe in another 3,000 years
I'm on Telewest (ok, so they have merged, but still, it's this network upkept by the TW sector)

And i'm sure they could do it i they tried...
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

http://www.bulldogbusiness.com/

Contented Access 2MBit SDSL: From £210/mo
Dedicated IP Access 2MBit SDSL: From £250/mo

So no, I doubt its going to happen any time soon! And they're both still "up to" speeds
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http://www.bulldogbusiness.com/ Contented Access 2MBit SDSL: From £210/mo Dedicated IP Access 2MBit SDSL: From £250/mo So no, I doubt its going to happen any time soon! And they're both still "up to" speeds
Slight difference between ADSL/SDSL and Cable though isn't there?
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

Slight, in that its probably easier to achieve over *DSL technology than Cable because of the way they work.
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Slight, in that its probably easier to achieve over *DSL technology than Cable because of the way they work.
God knows where i got my information from then, i must of dreamt it... Wouldn't be the first time though
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Re: New Speeds - June 1st

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I'd take a 2mb/2Mb for the same price as my 4mb/384. The reasoning behind it is i'm sick of slow upload speeds i do alot of high file size uploading to my friends, usually movies of our last outing etc. So ,yeah, i'd go for this.
would you take 1mb/1mb for same price as 4mb/384 because thats probably more realistic given the extra cost involved for upstream bandwidth.

not so sure on this sudden urge of upload speed from people, they claim it isnt for torrents yet the demand started when bittorent became mainstream so bit of a coincidence.
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