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Stuart W · 29-10-2003, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Bill Payer

Well,I've always found Fraz' posts to be entertaining.

Ah,"Troll". The cry of someone who doesn't like the way a discussion is going.
Didn't you state your interest in an admin position on .com,in the past?

Yes, I had stated my interest.

I also stated my interest again after that via a private communication with Frank.

I have no problem with not being offered a post at all, my problem is with Fraz holding any such position at nthw.com
I have my own opinions of Fraz and I'm sorry to say it will be a long cold day in hell before anyone convinces me otherwise.

Having said that, I did mention it was not my only reason for leaving and I believe I also mentioned I was going to leave some time ago, but Neil talked me out of it.

FYI, I didn't offer to mod here when the possition was available because I had very little time on the net then, but if ever a mod position becomes available, I will be offering my services here. If someone else gets the position, I won't have a problem with it, as I didn;t have a problem with Richard M getting the position on .com nor did I have a problem with Mike being re-instated.

Hope that clears it up for you

Russ · 29-10-2003, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Bifta

I thought this particular site was not going to get into pathetic and petty gripes aimed at nthw.com? I'm a bit amazed that the moderators from here are actually not only condoning it but joining in.

The gripe isn't with .com - I've always said it's the site to go to for help for NTL customers. The issue is with who NTL have chosen as an administrator.

Bifta · 29-10-2003, 23:53

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Originally Posted by Russ D

The gripe isn't with .com - I've always said it's the site to go to for help for NTL customers. The issue is with who NTL have chosen as an administrator.

So not completely unlike the historical slating of moderators on nthw.com by members of another .co.uk "protest" site then?

Russ · 29-10-2003, 23:55

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Originally Posted by Bifta

So not completely unlike the historical slating of moderators on nthw.com by members of another .co.uk "protest" site then?

Those moderators had a tendancy to be 'slated' for their actions as mods. I'm referring to the way he has acted in the past and the steps that the site had to go to to prevent him from repeating such behaviour. I can't understand how someone with such a history could be chosen to join the team he once so enjoyed causing problems for.

Stuart W · 29-10-2003, 23:56

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Originally Posted by Bifta

So not completely unlike the historical slating of moderators on nthw.com by members of another .co.uk "protest" site then?

On the contrary, I'd say it is TOTALY different.

Scenario A:
A forum posts a whole barage of insults against another forums mod, devotes entire sections to the putting down of the same mod, even went as far as changing the way that mod's name appears in posts.

Scenario B:
A forum posts an opinion of the position held by a mod from another forum and discusses it like adults (most of the time).

Look pretty different to me.

Bifta · 30-10-2003, 00:03

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

On the contrary, I'd say it is TOTALY different.

Scenario B:
A forum posts an opinion of the position held by a mod from another forum and discusses it like adults (most of the time).

No, members of a forum are posting negative comments about a member of another forum. It's quite plain, quite simple, and actually quite sad.

Russ · 30-10-2003, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Bifta

No, members of a forum are posting negative comments about a member of another forum. It's quite plain, quite simple, and actually quite sad.

What I am doing is posting my concerns about him being on the team, given his previous history. Some people have had dealings with him in the past and are giving their opinions. The moment this thread gets offensive and insulting (or if posts get reported) I'll act.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Bifta

No, members of a forum are posting negative comments about a member of another forum. It's quite plain, quite simple, and actually quite sad.

How would we ever hold any discussion without negative comments?

As a former member of nthw.com I have an opinion on the enlisting of Fraz as a mod. I have posted over there to express my opinion and have posted over here too.

As Russ says, it is a questionable move to give Fraz this position.

Now, honestly, if they had given Peterska2 the Admin position and people complained about it here, would you have made the same comments?

Bifta · 30-10-2003, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

How would we ever hold any discussion without negative comments?

I'm sorry, in your world do all discussions involve negativity?

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As a former member of nthw.com I have an opinion on the enlisting of Fraz as a mod. I have posted over there to express my opinion and have posted over here too.

Have you got a link to your post on NTHW.com expressing your opinion?

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As Russ says, it is a questionable move to give Fraz this position.

Yes, amply proved by him dragging up personal history, enough to try and prove he's the bad guy but enough to not let everyone know the full facts.

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Now, honestly, if they had given Peterska2 the Admin position and people complained about it here, would you have made the same comments?

Of course I would, if you've nothing better to do than concern yourself and moan about who got made a moderator on NTHW over and above you then I feel a bit sorry for you.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 00:20

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Originally Posted by Bifta

I'm sorry, in your world do all discussions involve negativity?

Well, in a way, yes. Someone will allways have a differing opinion and as such could be described as 'negative'.
However, I do not feel it necesary to be negative in all discussions.

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Have you got a link to your post on NTHW.com expressing your opinion?

Take a look at the "Welcome Fraz" thread, it's about the 3rd post down I think. I explain that I am no longer posting there.

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Of course I would, if you've nothing better to do than concern yourself and moan about who got made a moderator on NTHW over and above you then I feel a bit sorry for you.

Thanx for your sympathy, but arn't you in the same boat?
With nothing better to do than concern yourself with others posts?

Bifta · 30-10-2003, 00:21

... and as a christian, one might assume Russ would have "forgiven his sins" and not base what Fraz might add to nthw on any previous activities.

**Maggy** · 30-10-2003, 00:23

What's going on?why have we got a big argument going on here.Have you got an agenda Bifta?Have you got an agenda Stuart?

If so let us all know. otherwise please take the argument somewhere else in the meantime.I'm sick of my inbox being filled by squabbling crap.

Then can we get back to trying to make this site as good as .com used to be.

Incog.

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 00:27

No agenda from me incog, just trying to clear up my point of view, which I feel is quite clear now

Bifta · 30-10-2003, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Stuart W

Well, in a way, yes. Someone will allways have a differing opinion and as such could be described as 'negative'.
However, I do not feel it necesary to be negative in all discussions.

Take a look at the "Welcome Fraz" thread, it's about the 3rd post down I think. I explain that I am no longer posting there.

Thanx for your sympathy, but arn't you in the same boat?
With nothing better to do than concern yourself with others posts?

Sorry, but I've had "discussions" that don't involve any party being negative, perhaps you're confusing it with "debate".

And that wasn't exactly an opinion, just a post saying "I'm leaving" (you could have left without making a public show of it btw).

And as for concerning myself with other people's posts, isn't that how a forum works? I think the difference is that I see no reason to slate Fraz, and pretty much all I've seen so far on this topic is a lot of rhetoric and nay saying and absolutely nothing backing it up.

Could you just not accept that he might actually do some good? I'm sure an adult would at least be willing to entertain the idea instead of throwing their toy's out of the pram and resigning their membership .. and it was you that inferred you were an adult ... remember?

Stuart W · 30-10-2003, 00:34

Well, I remember when a mod was part of the community and as such was 'voted in' to some extent by the members of that community.

I also remember seeing the position of Moderator being available to all to apply for.

I don't however remember seeing any of this for Fraz's position. I find this odd, esp. given Fraz's nature of posting over the past year or so.

I don't intend to start listing quotes from posts made by Fraz to back up anything I have said, but please feel free to trawl nthellworld.com and ntlhell.co.uk and look for posts made by Fraz which are more than 6mths old.

Having said that, I do accept that he may do some good. In fact, I feel it is inevitable that he does 'some' good. I'm just concerned about the way he got the position given his history, thass all.