10 meg unlimited? - Page 4

Horizon · 24-03-2006, 22:07

If the rumours of a uncapped service are true, then that's good news. But only if its a "real" uncapped 10 meg service...

A 42 minute HD show is about 10gig's worth, so its not difficult to reach 500gig real easily. Plus when iptv comes along, that will eat up bandwith like no tomorrow. Although, as I said in another thread, when the analogue tv networks are shut down, this should free up considerable bandwith for all.

Personally, I would be happy and would like the option to pay more for a "real" 10 meg uncapped service. Is it just a coincidence that the price of the 10meg service was lowered recently, possibly paving the way for a higher priced uncapped 10 meg service....?

With regards to ntl's network, I know ntl own their network(s), but its not national. I thought their national "traffic" was carried over Cable & Wireless' national fibre network.

Chrysalis · 24-03-2006, 23:46

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Originally Posted by IanUK

So now that NTL are (maybe) going the way of Telewest and becoming unlimited will they do the same as Telewest with the proxies and make them voluntary ?

It wont be unshaped tho, expect a plusnet like service long term.

I hope I am wrong and they will only shape abusers or just lightly shape, but plusnet like this are marketing unmetered and simply limiting their users to a level that makes it impossible them to use heavy amounts.

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Originally Posted by jtwn

Hate to rain on your parade Neil but ntl own their network and are not subject to bandwidth restrictions placed on them by another ISP, unlike Plusnet and Pipex.

Please make educated guesses in future rather then let your personal war with ntl get in the way.

So they have free transit to america and the like? they still have to pay for peering dude (external traffic), without it you would only be able to connect to people on ntl and not the internet.

Also their internal network which seems to need upgrades costs money to upgrade.

Ignition · 25-03-2006, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Neptune

With regards to ntl's network, I know ntl own their network(s), but its not national. I thought their national "traffic" was carried over Cable & Wireless' national fibre network.

NTL have their own national fibre network. Indeed various companies pay for the use of it, including C+W. They probably buy fibre from one another to be honest.

jtwn · 25-03-2006, 00:18

Yeah its just like I said that.

I suggest you understand that aswell as having to pay BT for use of the local loop, they also have to pay for their own peering too. ntl owning their own network cuts out this middle man.

As I said previously, its not a feasible reason that ntl would throttle back traffic if that was so, as there are many providers who still offer unlimited round the world.

Please don't speak to me like I'm some kind of tard.

handyman · 25-03-2006, 01:27

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Originally Posted by Neptune

A 42 minute HD show is about 10gig's worth, so its not difficult to reach 500gig real easily. Plus when iptv comes along, that will eat up bandwith like no tomorrow. Although, as I said in another thread, when the analogue tv networks are shut down, this should free up considerable bandwith for all.

lol, 10gig. I watch hd content from the states and its no where near that.

Theres not a huge lot of analogue left to remove, what you fail to notice is that ntl's network is private so they have the full spectrum at thier disposal.

jtwn · 25-03-2006, 01:53

Most, if not basically all HD broadcasts in the US are typically lower then the ATSC spec, bitrate wise.

Shutting down analogue and using the freed-up frequencies only will be of benefit when channel bonding or a second downstream channel is used.

Chrysalis · 25-03-2006, 08:45

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Originally Posted by jtwn

Yeah its just like I said that.

I suggest you understand that aswell as having to pay BT for use of the local loop, they also have to pay for their own peering too. ntl owning their own network cuts out this middle man.

As I said previously, its not a feasible reason that ntl would throttle back traffic if that was so, as there are many providers who still offer unlimited round the world.

Please don't speak to me like I'm some kind of tard.

I understand that ntl no doubt should have much lower traffic costs then pipex and plusnet which I think is what you was trying to point out, certianly because they not paying a 3rd party for national traffic and also because of their size they should be able to negotiate lower per mbit pricing for external traffic.

The reason which I expect is behind any future shaping is profit, they are a merged company now and their #1 target will be getting into the black and staying there and then every year that target will increase.

IanUK · 25-03-2006, 10:23

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Originally Posted by jtwn

As I said previously, its not a feasible reason that ntl would throttle back traffic if that was so, as there are many providers who still offer unlimited round the world.

I personally think its a very feasible reason, and explains a lot.
Peering cost big money as I understand it, some of it seems to be done for almost nothing or on the basis of like for like.

If NTL really had total freedom to route any amount of traffic anywhere then the network would be fabulous, and the envy of the world, as we know that isn't the case, small pipes where there should be fat pipes and all that.

Unlimited only exists as a customer selling point, it means nothing to bandwidth providers I'd guess.

A good example of a similar situation, although more exaggerated, is with South Korea, massive bandwidth is available *inside* the country in major cities, they make our 10mb connections look like nothing, they regularily shift gigs of bandwidth between users (their free email and storage sites run into 50 or 100 gig instead of the 1 or 2 gig Yahoo or Google give (PDBox.co.kr gives 100 gig of space I think from memory) - BUT their external links are pooh, I have a few friends out there, and video conferencing with them etc is rubbish, peering again, I doubt if most providers out there pay for much, or can trade bandwidth with the rest of the world as the huge majority of traffic stays in the country.

AndrewJ · 25-03-2006, 11:17

My GUESS is this will work itself out soon.

IanUK · 25-03-2006, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Saxo

My GUESS is this will work itself out soon.

I'd hope you are right, but in 5 months or so it hasn't yet, despite being reported several times.

Chrysalis · 25-03-2006, 13:58

End of day the customers still pay when "it doesnt work out" so it shouldnt go bad in the first place.

TrancerSteve · 25-03-2006, 15:05

I really hope this rumour doesnt turn out to be not true.. I think i'll be abit upset if so!

IanUK · 25-03-2006, 15:07

Well it is only a rumour..

TrancerSteve · 25-03-2006, 15:13

I know

but ah it be damn nice tho. We pay alot of money in comparision with other ISPs that do similar speeds. What we get isn't all that good value for money. Having no caps would be abit of a consolation for ntls poor network, but lol it wouldnt do it any favours..

I guess we will see soon enuff

punky · 25-03-2006, 18:37

10 meg unlimited is rather nice if you one of the few able to get 10 meg and want to rape the hell out of it. I'd rather they spent the money letting some of us 3 meg refugees (who were forced to downgrade from to 2 meg in order to obtain a usable internet connection). I'd rather they spend their money and efforts there. Oh well.