Just had an NTL rep around and he said......... - Page 2

Stuart · 16-03-2006, 17:14

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Originally Posted by parkie

starting around september 06 the following upgrades will be happening:

1mb > 10mb
2mb > 20mb
10mb > 80mb

anyone else heard this?

cheers

p

I'll lay odds he is telling porkies. Any big launch like that, and we would have heard about it.

Rone · 16-03-2006, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Nugget

How come they didn't fall off? I hope that they were careful

Widescreen.

parkie · 16-03-2006, 20:21

My original post does say September, thats six whole months away, alot can change in the comunications world in that time, I still don't believe it though. As for his details, I'm not that kind of guy.

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Stuart · 16-03-2006, 20:35

It's not a case of grassing him up (although if he is promising things NTL cannot deliver and signs customers up, that *can* cause legal problems), we just need an verifiable source.

Shaun · 16-03-2006, 22:01

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Originally Posted by parkie

I had a rep around today trying to sell me digital TV (i've already got broadband and telephone). He said the PVR's are being introduced in September 06 and there will be no extra charge, it's basically going to be a free upgrade!!
He also said you'll be able to record two channels at the same time as watching another.

lets hope he's right

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=230

Free upgrade - Well for me that puts the tin lid on it!

Ignition · 16-03-2006, 22:22

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Originally Posted by parkie

My original post does say September, thats six whole months away, alot can change in the comunications world in that time.

Such as ntl being able to completely switch off analogue or find the cash to do ethernet over coax? Nah

**Paul** · 16-03-2006, 22:22

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Originally Posted by parkie

starting around september 06 the following upgrades will be happening:

1mb > 10mb
2mb > 20mb
10mb > 80mb

Best laugh today, I think I should move this to Humour

Seriously - did he mean Sept 2106 maybe

Horizon · 16-03-2006, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Chris T

It is true, in the sense that it is inevitable, that one day services will be this fast. Discussion or speculation about how NTL might organise its tiers once such speeds are available is utterly pointless however. There is absolutely no possibility that the information given out by that sales rep is accurate.

Think of it this way: name anything you can currently do on the internet whose performance would be noticably different whether delivered on an 80 or 100 meg line. Once you get to those sorts of speeds, speed-related tiers are irrelevant, unless someone starts offering something via the internet that is currently not available at all (don't no-one say HDTV either, AFAIK you need at least 200Mb, and probably access to the Internet2 network, to do that).

Sorry, but rubbish.

We know ntl are trialing iptv. We know ntl are trialing video downloading using bittorrent using a fast connection with the option of using a "speed boost button."

If you were to stream hdtv over the internet, then yes you probably would need 200mb. But, for downloading a 45 minute-ish tv hdtv show of about 10GB, a hundred MB connection would make a huge diffrence. Forget hdtv, a standard 350MB tv show or 700mb film would download a lot faster using a 100mb connection, obviously, as would anything. Video conferencing, video calls, CATV, all would need faster connections than presently offered.

I think by the end of the year, ntl will offer a super fast internet/iptv service to customers. If they don't, they will lose all the revenue to piracy.

Graham M · 17-03-2006, 08:59

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Sorry, but rubbish.

We know ntl are trialing iptv. We know ntl are trialing video downloading using bittorrent using a fast connection with the option of using a "speed boost button."

If you were to stream hdtv over the internet, then yes you probably would need 200mb. But, for downloading a 45 minute-ish tv hdtv show of about 10GB, a hundred MB connection would make a huge diffrence. Forget hdtv, a standard 350MB tv show or 700mb film would download a lot faster using a 100mb connection, obviously, as would anything. Video conferencing, video calls, CATV, all would need faster connections than presently offered.

I think by the end of the year, ntl will offer a super fast internet/iptv service to customers. If they don't, they will lose all the revenue to piracy.

What Bo**ocks! I dont know any Data Networks that could support any more than 2 100MBit users downloading from them at once, can you?

Kevin · 17-03-2006, 10:54

I do its called Gigabit mate......fibre to the switch should do 2 x 100mbit without any problems.

**Chris** · 17-03-2006, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Sorry, but rubbish. <snip>

Why thank you for being so polite.

If you re-read my post you'll find I was comparing the relative merits of 80Mb and 100Mb. By my calculation there is a difference in download time of less than 10 seconds for your 700Mb file at those speeds. Hence my conclusion that NTL would not offer tiers based on speed once the standard shifts into the region of 100Mb.

You will also see (if you re-read) that I said there is nothing you cannot already do at today's speeds that you could do at 80-100Mb. You say my example of HDTV is wrong, when in fact you prove my point by then talking about downloading HDTV files. You can in fact do this already. It would take a while longer at 10Mb than 100Mb, but it is perfectly practical.

What you *cannot* do, either at 10Mb or 100Mb, is stream it.

Graham M · 17-03-2006, 12:25

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Originally Posted by Kevin

I do its called Gigabit mate......fibre to the switch should do 2 x 100mbit without any problems.

Yes but do you know any places in the UK apart from Major Cities that have any sort of Fiber network? Also web hosts rarely have anything over OC192, and if everyone in the world had 100MBit Internet Access noone would ever get full speed and the Internet Would probably die on its ****.

DaggaDagga · 17-03-2006, 12:36

I thought a HDTV stream was about 8Mb/sec, if it's MPEG4 compressed. I could be wrong though.

Is the quoted 200Mb/sec the uncompressed data rate? Nobody would ever broadcast this. I doubt Sky will be broadcasting 100+ channels x 200Mb/sec, as that would need a throughput of over 20Gb/sec! I'm not sure if there's enough spectrum in the world to take this lot raining down from their satellite!

**Chris** · 17-03-2006, 12:53

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Originally Posted by DaggaDagga

I thought a HDTV stream was about 8Mb/sec, if it's MPEG4 compressed. I could be wrong though.

Is the quoted 200Mb/sec the uncompressed data rate? Nobody would ever broadcast this. I doubt Sky will be broadcasting 100+ channels x 200Mb/sec, as that would need a throughput of over 20Gb/sec! I'm not sure if there's enough spectrum in the world to take this lot raining down from their satellite!

My figures are based on research quoted on this site.

Chrysalis · 17-03-2006, 13:06

Neptune running a trial is slightly different then rolling out the equipment needed over their network to supply 100mbit. Or am I mistaken and ubr downstreams suddenly can do 100mbit.