*ALL* ntl 10Mb Discussion (Part 3)

[DaBuzz]

I really wish the upload was better on 10mbit. I want to have high quality video chat with friends. 2mbit upload would be great!

[Scopeuk]

wishful thinking there that whould cost ntl money and oh god no there customers shock horror may benifit at the expense of there shareholders

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

pants because you can only get it for £35 a month. these ADSL suppliers will be offering it for a lot less. plusnet - £21.99 a month.

have you read it yet or still just big eyed over the price tag?

they have low prices yes but what you get is very small for your money, and is certianly a much worse service then ntl, they were for many months selling a upto 8meg service with a higher price tag that was always a 2meg product because they had never got round to using llu as they planned.

ntl 10meg 34.99 is although sometimes heavily congested in "some" areas is unshaped on all protocols. Has a unofficial 75 gig cap. Plusnet go mental if you use more then 10 gig a month and if you top 30 or so gig a month you find yourself on a managed traffic plan where speeds are severely throttled on all protocols.

http://www.plus.net/support/broadban...nagement.shtml

[Ignition]

Most ADSL suppliers will be shaping, have terms and conditions and caps attached.

Zen have long been a bastion of uncapped products, even they are admitting that 8Mbit uncapped isn't viable at a half-decent price. http://www.zen.co.uk/about.aspx?page=106

Also you think that the speeds on ntl 10Mbit are variable I can assure you that you'll see a lot of instability on BT's offerings due to contention as well.

[etccarmageddon]

http://www.adslguide.org/newsarchive.asp?item=2560

£25 a month for 8meg and a decent usage allowance beats NTL's 2meg for £25 doesn't it?

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correction - upto 8meg!

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

http://www.adslguide.org/newsarchive.asp?item=2560

£25 a month for 8meg and a decent usage allowance beats NTL's 2meg for £25 doesn't it?

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correction - upto 8meg!

Depends on how you see it, the consensus here seems to be a lower burst speed which is unmetered is preffered over a higher speed that has a cap especially if the higher speed is unreliable. Zen I will hold with high credibility as they seem to set their prices at a level where they can sustain their service.

Home 250 £17.99 288kbps 288kbps Unlimited
Zen 8000 Active £24.99 8192kbps 448kbps 20GB downloads
Zen 8000 Pro £34.99 8192kbps 448kbps 50GB downloads

for 17.99 on ntl you get 1meg unmetered but with lower upload speed. For 24.99 you get 2meg unmetered and of course ntl outdoes them on the 34.99. What you not picking up on here is 2 key points.

1 - ntl do not have proper monitoring in place and enforcement and so if they rolled out a 24.99 10meg service with lower cap there would be problems with people abusing it and using more then the 34.99 cap level.

2 - their is problems now with just the top tier on 10meg where ntl do not have the capacity to provide the service on a national level, do you read the forums? ntl are playing catchup with their network right now and need to get the bandwidth in place to enable them to further rollout. Zen on the other hand have always kept their capacity ahead of demand so dont have contention problems this enables them to rollout higher speeds on a better timescale.

[etccarmageddon]

and you need a BT phone line for ADSL.

[Chrysalis]

that as well yeah, for someone like me who has a landline anyway it doesnt bother me tho but will bother other's who hate landlines.

I am looking at the adsl market and it is splitting into 2 distinct league's. The conference is the bt wholesale providers who are struggling with traffic cost's, like plusnet and zen, zen are much more viable tho and honest. The premiership been LLU providers such as ukonline and bulldog who are able to offer much higher cap levels or even unmetered at higher speeds. LLU compared to ntl is very attractive and in that manner ntl looks poor value for money but compared to bt wholesale ntl is turning out the winner in terms of what you get for your £.

[ppolo99]

Erm, I was looking on ntl website. and it said the monthly usage for 10mbit connection is 75mb????? guessing its missprint?




Enough for the whole family huh?? LOL!

[Chrysalis]

OMG haha that is a classic mistake.

Originally Posted by bilal

are u sure 2mb to 10mb is going to happen. It seems unlikely to me as there hasnt been any news recently about it going to happen.

Don't expect anything for sometime yet. It's only the middle of February. The plans for 10meg rollout to the lower tiers have always been "by the end of 2006". That's another 10+ months away yet.

[etccarmageddon]

it's end of feb in a few days dude! not mid.

and I cant believe they'd be daft enough to keep us waiting until late in the year as most ADSL companies will soon be advertising their services as (upto) 8meg. the headline rates is all that the consumer falls for in the mass market so NTL will need to step up a gear asap and have all their tiers competing with the '8meg' opposition or look like the poor relations.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

it's end of feb in a few days dude! not mid.

and I cant believe they'd be daft enough to keep us waiting until late in the year as most ADSL companies will soon be advertising their services as (upto) 8meg. the headline rates is all that the consumer falls for in the mass market so NTL will need to step up a gear asap and have all their tiers competing with the '8meg' opposition or look like the poor relations.

Why? NTL can advertise this:

Broadband from ntl, from £17.99 / month with speeds up to 10Mbit.

That's a little misleading but every bit as accurate as the advertising that ADSL suppliers will be doing. If they only offer an 8Mbit tier they're insane, they'll need cheaper lower cap tiers at the very least.

People complain about what the point is in 10Mbit tiers without high caps, people complain about pricing, people complain about speeds.

Can't please them all, however if it's down to advertising there are several ways to shaft the consumer

Also can I point out that Plusnet haven't actually revealed WHAT they are doing for the 8Mbit deals yet, and are confirming this next week.

[Chrysalis]

I found this for plusnet

http://www.plus.net/support/broadban...5d92f4c3a0575a

Broadband Plus Up to 8Mb for 34.99
Broadband PAYG Up to 8Mb for 14.99
Broadband Premier Up to 8Mb for 39.99

PAYG I believe has 1 gig inclusive, plus is very heavily shaped so it is pretty much only useable for http, and premier is more then ntl's 10meg and slower and still shaped.

http://usergroup.plus.net/report_pncapacity.php

Nice report showing plusnet's 100:1 contention.

[Ignition]

Nice, they can only handle 68% of their customers being online at one time, and 100:1 contention and the fact it semi-works goes to show how deep the shaping is.