smoking and the pub

[Derek]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

if it's a way of covertly getting smokers to quit why not just stop fannying around and ban the sale of cigs?

Because they earn far more from cigarette taxation than it costs them to fund the NHS for smoking related diseases.

[punky]

I work from home. Am I allowed to smoke there then?

Furthermore, other employees from the company come to my house to conduct business with me, are they allowed to smoke?

Where do the lines become drawn?

Originally Posted by punky

I work from home. Am I allowed to smoke there then?

Furthermore, other employees from the company come to my house to conduct business with me, are they allowed to smoke?

Where do the lines become drawn?

That is actually likely to become an issue, as more and more people work from home. I was reading some discussion on it a while ago, turning over the various aspects of the home office that your employer might have a legal responsibility towards. If you injure yourself in company time, the company can be liable - what if you trip over a loose carpet tile in your home office, while 'at work'. It will come home to roost sooner or later, but I think there will have to be a test case. Maybe it will even be a 'passive smoking' case?

[etccarmageddon]

well working from home and smoking would mean you're breaking health and safety rules in theory - so if you invite someone in to see you and you're smoking they could put in a complaint? if they come in and smoke then they'd also be breaking the rules and subject to a disaplinary.

[Derek]

How about social workers, carers etc?

They work in different peoples homes. Do they people they are looking after have to stop or do they just have to put up with it.

Ooh I'll bet there are a troop of lawyers rubbing their hands together who can't wait till this becomes law so they can line their pockets.

Originally Posted by dezzo

How about social workers, carers etc?

They work in different peoples homes. Do they people they are looking after have to stop or do they just have to put up with it.

Ooh I'll bet there are a troop of lawyers rubbing their hands together who can't wait till this becomes law so they can line their pockets.

Ahem ...

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=2445122005

Applies to Scotland in this case, where the ban has been legislated for separately, but it will be interesting to see if England does something similar.

[punky]

What if the boss isn't around. If the employees still smoke, will the boss still get a £2500 fine? Will the boss need to employ bouncers to make sure noone smokes? But then who will make sure the bouncers don't smoke?

You can tell the government has about as much thought into this as they normally do.

[marky]

Originally Posted by punky

What if the boss isn't around. If the employees still smoke, will the boss still get a £2500 fine? Will the boss need to employ bouncers to make sure noone smokes? But then who will make sure the bouncers don't smoke?

You can tell the government has about as much thought into this as they normally do.

Wouldnt that be a breach of h&s at work, making the employee in breach of there employment contract

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Ahem ...

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=2445122005

Applies to Scotland in this case, where the ban has been legislated for separately, but it will be interesting to see if England does something similar.

And how many people do you think will be tempted to light up in the face of the visiting worker because of this request?

What a load of <mod edit>...

Originally Posted by danielf

And how many people do you think will be tempted to light up in the face of the visiting worker because of this request?

There are bound to be some. I expect most of them will step back in line if they are threatened with a withdrawl of service by Social Services though.

Please don't try to bypass the swear filter.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris T

There are bound to be some. I expect most of them will step back in line if they are threatened with a withdrawl of service by Social Services though.

The you get into all manner of problems with their rights to treatment / use of their council tax not getting them services etc.

About the only thing you can guarantee is it'll end up in the courts.

[punky]

Originally Posted by marky

Wouldnt that be a breach of h&s at work, making the employee in breach of there employment contract

Indeed. And they'll be subject to a £50 fine. However, the boss, who's done nothing wrong, is subject to a fine of £2500.

The anti-smoking gestapo who'll now have enforce this £2500 fine will come along when the boss isn't there, no doubt.

Also sounds like a good way to stich up your boss. Put in an anonymous call to Crimestoppers, smoke a cigarette, get caught, you get a £50 fine, your boss gets a £2500 fine, and you could end up with a reward from Crimestoppers and a medal

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris T

There are bound to be some. I expect most of them will step back in line if they are threatened with a withdrawl of service by Social Services though.

On what basis? As far as I can see, people are perfectly within their right to smoke in their own home. The council may request them to not smoke, but they would appear to be on dodgy grounds to withdraw the service on the basis of someone smoking? (Or would this be considered abuse towards the worker?)

Please don't try to bypass the swear filter.

Sorry boss

[marky]

Originally Posted by punky

Indeed. And they'll be subject to a £50 fine. However, the boss, who's done nothing wrong, is subject to a fine of £2500

That sucks, i could understand if the employer was allowing it, talk about heads up bums

Originally Posted by Bifta

How do you know? (I'll answer for you, you don't!)

Please don't answer for me!

Originally Posted by Bifta

Everybody made the same assumption that all the pubs in Ireland would go t*ts up when they introduced a smoking ban, if anything the ones I visit are busier.

But Ireland is a different country and i live in Nelson, Lancashire. How could you possibly compare the two localities and come to the same conclusion?

This law is to protect those who wish not to breath second hand smoke. Fair enough, go elsewhere like your poncy little coffe shops for a half decaff and couisant or go to the off licence and get a six pack of stella that you can drink in your own smoke free zone. I bought the cigs in a public place so why can't i smoke them there?