Muslims to march in London - Page 6

basa · 10-02-2006, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

This thread looks like its degenrating into Muslims Vs Brits (and people fail to see that a large amount of muslims in the Uk are actually born here. making them British) or Kick Out The Muslims or Im Afraid The Mulsims will take over parliament and establ;ish Khalifah in the UK.....

Not Brits V Muslim, it's more a muslim *culture / attitude* V Brit *culture / attitude*.

Oh heck ... we're going get into that "what is British culture now !

Russ · 10-02-2006, 12:32

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Originally Posted by herbert clinker

of course.i know bull sh*t when i see it.

integrated into our community's my *rse,they look after there own.always have always will.

Ah but remember, as I was told by a member of this site, they don't integrate in to our communities not because they want to stick with their 'own', it's because we shun them from our 'communities'

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Originally Posted by basa

Oh heck ... we're going get into that "what is British culture now !

Don't forget, this is no such thing as 'British culture' anymore

10-02-2006, 12:43

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

This thread looks like its degenrating into Muslims Vs Brits (and people fail to see that a large amount of muslims in the Uk are actually born here. making them British) or Kick Out The Muslims or Im Afraid The Mulsims will take over parliament and establ;ish Khalifah in the UK.....

What I have been tryinf to argue/debate/explain in this thread and the other one relating to pictures, apart from why offence has been caused, is that the rioters are a small minority of islam and not a representation of the muslim faith in general. if we look atr it from the placards displayed on the demo in London, 200 idiots do not represent the muslim faith in the UK, and nor do groups such as Hizbut Tahir or Al Majouroon.

As for condemnation of 9/11; Madrid; London bombings, all the mainstream muslim representatives in the UK have condemned such action. Just because it didnt appear on the front page of the Sun or the Daily Mail does not mean it didnt happen.

Please don't get the idea we are into 'Muslim bashing', Saaf, for myself I am really grateful for you participating in these discussions & providing a voice of reason on behalf of your faith.

To be honest, from a personal perspective, while I admit I don't fully understand the issue of imagery & the Prophet, neither do I consider the religious beliefs of terrorists to be the main issue in how I percieve them. An idiot with a bomb is just as dangerous whether he be Muslim, Jew or Christian.

Ramrod · 10-02-2006, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

As for condemnation of 9/11; Madrid; London bombings, all the mainstream muslim representatives in the UK have condemned such action. Just because it didnt appear on the front page of the Sun or the Daily Mail does not mean it didnt happen.

But their condemnation of some cartoons seems to be much more vocal than their condemnation of thousands of deaths and numerous worldwide atrocities.....or am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by homealone

Please don't get the idea we are into 'Muslim bashing', Saaf, for myself I am really grateful for you participating in these discussions & providing a voice of reason on behalf of your faith.

SOSAGES · 10-02-2006, 12:58

it dosnt matter what you are there are nutters everywhere and have been since we crawled out of the swamp..
ive seen old chaps saying kick the muslims out wasnt like this in our day safe to walk the streets none of these muslim nutters..
i simply reply - in your day you had a rather mad austrian chap chopping up jews and killing anyone without blue eyes i fail to see how it was much better.

every generation there is a something going on.
we only just got rid of the ira - muslims just happen to be next on the list and in the medias eye..

personally - yes i do think they are a bunch of loons but im also sure some of them are nice, the world would be a better place if the middle east wasnt around, im very suprised no one has nuked anyone yet
im also happy denmark is getting some flack, for once it isnt us.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 10-02-2006, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

But their condemnation of some cartoons seems to be much more vocal than their condemnation of thousands of deaths and numerous worldwide atrocities.....or am I wrong?

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Maybe Im wrong but I think the MCB and other muslim organisations did take a full page ad out in the national press following 9/11, condemming what had happened. (If im wrong it must have been something else im thinking about). I do recall seeing a lot of organisations condemming the event on TV and in other media.

Ok, there might not have been a demonstration by muslims after 9/11 but I didnt see one by non muslims either, so are we saying they (the non muslims)were happy for it to happen too? What Im trying to get at is that because there was a lack of a demo after 9/11 or 7/7, a lot of people are assuming all muslims were ok with the terrorist acts. I do no think thats a reasonable argument.

10-02-2006, 15:52

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

a lot of people are assuming all muslims were ok with the terrorist acts. I do no think thats a reasonable argument.

Actually, it was the scenes of cheering people (Muslims, I gather), even as people were falling to their deaths from the towers, that incensed me.

And these were not parades of extremists - these were scenes filmed all over the Muslim world, in the streets, shops and cafes. So, unless the percentage of extremists is VERY high, it is reasonable to assume these were 'ordinary' Muslims.

I agree that a demo by Muslims against those specific terrorist acts would be unreasonable to expect. Very much as it's unreasonable for them to have a demo now about a few cartoons. The cartoons did not kill anyone, unlike the unrest caused by millitant Muslims, which has now claimed at least a dozen lives.

It is utter madness.

Ramrod · 10-02-2006, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Maybe Im wrong but I think the MCB and other muslim organisations did take a full page ad out in the national press following 9/11, condemming what had happened.

They did but thats not the same as 100 000 marching in London.......or going ballistic all over the world is it?

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Ok, there might not have been a demonstration by muslims after 9/11 but I didnt see one by non muslims either, so are we saying they (the non muslims)were happy for it to happen too?

We don't tend to do things like that....

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What Im trying to get at is that because there was a lack of a demo after 9/11 or 7/7, a lot of people are assuming all muslims were ok with the terrorist acts. I do no think thats a reasonable argument.

No, I'm not assuming all muslims were ok with the atrocities (far from it) I'm just pointing out that I think it's odd that so many are throwing their toys out of the pram over a few cartoons while doing nothing of the sort over suicide attacks done in the name of their religion (that we are told they all find abhorrent) ....it's just a little odd.....priorities and all that.....

Saaf_laandon_mo · 10-02-2006, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

They did but thats not the same as 100 000 marching in London.......or going ballistic all over the world is it?

We don't tend to do things like that.... No, I'm not assuming all muslims were ok with the atrocities (far from it) I'm just pointing out that I think it's odd that so many are throwing their toys out of the pram over a few cartoons while doing nothing of the sort over suicide attacks done in the name of their religion (that we are told they all find abhorrent) ....it's just a little odd.....priorities and all that.....

When you say "we don't tend to do things like that..." what we are you referring to? If its the non muslim British people you're referring too then Ive seen plenty of this category in lots of demos.... Anti Poll Tax, Stop The War , Anti Racism to name but a few. Or is it the 'we' that you are referinng to those people that just tend to agree on a war on terror in which hundreds of thousands of innocents lives are lost, and say well thats ok, it will stop another 9/11.

Ramrod · 10-02-2006, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

When you say "we don't tend to do things like that..." what we are you referring to? If its the non muslim British people you're referring too then Ive seen plenty of this category in lots of demos.... Anti Poll Tax, Stop The War , Anti Racism to name but a few.

What? 100 000 marching in London alone with worldwide demonstrations (with anti arab banners)/killings/arson?

Thats what I was referring to when I said 'we don't do things like that'....

Saaf_laandon_mo · 10-02-2006, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

What? 100 000 marching in London alone with worldwide demonstrations (with anti arab banners)/killings/arson?

Thats what I was referring to when I said 'we don't do things like that'....

Ok, so have we seen 100,000 muslims marching in London to date? The last major demo where I saw a large amount of muslims was the Stop the War one. Even there according to police figures there were no more than a copuple of 100k in total, of which I dont feel over half were muslims.

Similarly this Sunday I do not expect to see anywhere near 100k muslims marching through London, and like I said I just hope its not hijacked by some idiots anyway.

By applying the same argument and reasoning in earlier posts when its implied that if muslims dont demo against Sept 11, Madrid and 7/7, they are happy with such activities, then I can equally say that those who dont go on Anti Racism marches like racism. Its a stupid argument/basis for reaching that conclusion isnt it. Then its said well that argument can apply to muslims because they are always or very happy to go on demos , burning down embassies , carrying hate filled placards etc etc. Well no ones burned an embassy in the UK to date over this, and the placard bearers amounted to less than a couple of 100. Representaive of the muslim population in the UK? I think not.

Ramrod · 10-02-2006, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Ok, so have we seen 100,000 muslims marching in London to date?

Thats what they are predicting....

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By applying the same argument and reasoning in earlier posts when its implied that if muslims dont demo against Sept 11, Madrid and 7/7, they are happy with such activities, then I can equally say that those who dont go on Anti Racism marches like racism. Its a stupid argument/basis for reaching that conclusion isnt it.

ahem.....I have been at pains to point out that I don't think that they are happy with such activities. I am merely wondering if muslims in this country (and worldwide) have their priorities right since we hardly saw any toys chucked out of prams over the bombings etc.....while they do appear to have gone off the deep end over cartoons....

Saaf_laandon_mo · 10-02-2006, 17:22

Response from the muslim world following the 9/11 bombings can be found here:

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

10-02-2006, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I am merely wondering if muslims in this country (and worldwide) have their priorities right since we hardly saw any toys chucked out of prams over the bombings etc.....while they do appear to have gone off the deep end over cartoons....

I understand what you are trying to say, but I have to agree it doesn't entirely make sense.

I think what you're trying to compare is the Muslim reaction against 9/11 and the current furore over the cartoons.

In the wake of 9/11 there were reactions from Muslims (mostly those living in Western liberal democracies) against the atrocity. I recall the newspaper 'advert' and a few other shows of solidarity.

By comparison, this episode of the cartoons has seen a huge outpouring of anger from the same people. I think what Ramrod is saying that he sees the current outcry as a far louder protest than anything that followed 9/11

I tend to agree. It suggests that offending Muslims with a cartoon is a bigger issue to them than the massacre of 2000+ people.

picapo · 10-02-2006, 18:13

SIGH...The whole cartoon thing has totally been blown out of proportion. I mean..really its just a case that someone did somehting that someone else didn't like...Can people just not GET ALONG!...live and let live and all that. Okay so it wasn't to everyones liking that these cartoons were published but I also don't think it should merit opening the flood gates for violent demonstrations....

If there were no organised religion then this wouldn't be happening!!!
I also sence that I am not the only one that is a little ****ed off with the minority wanting superiority. I thought the whole point of religions was to promote equality?...One final comment....SIGH!