Should they be published in the UK?
03-02-2006, 12:49
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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Originally Posted by Gareth
As both Google and Wikipedia both provide very easy means to view these images, I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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well problem solved then - no need to publish them here and risk offending people's religious beliefs as anyone reading this thread knows where to find reference material.
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03-02-2006, 13:07
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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well problem solved then - no need to publish them here and risk offending people's religious beliefs as anyone reading this thread knows where to find reference material.
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I think a good point would be to show these religious nutters that were not going to be told what we can and cannot do by religion. Believe it or not this isn't the middle east were you are mostly told what you can and cannot do
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03-02-2006, 13:14
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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Originally Posted by Gareth
As both Google and Wikipedia both provide very easy means to view these images, I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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It's a question of principle. And the principle here is about freedom of speech, and about not having to live in fear of intimidation/violence as a result of exercising free speech.
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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
well problem solved then - no need to publish them here and risk offending people's religious beliefs
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Not really. It merely means that those who oppose the freedom of speech with violent protest are thereby allowed to win.
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03-02-2006, 13:28
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
Just seen them outside the BBC on Sky news with banners like †œMassacre those who insult IslamÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â faceââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s covered of course. Islam and peace donââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t seem to go hand in hand
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03-02-2006, 13:29
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
and what about those who dont oppose freedom of speach but take offence at their religion being attacked by what they consider offensive cartoons?
if you publish to defy the extremists when you wouldn't have published if there were no extremists then the extremists have influenced you!
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03-02-2006, 13:34
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
if you publish to defy the extremists when you wouldn't have published if there were no extremists then the extremists have influenced you!
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I think that is why there is more debate on this in the UK, instead of simply publishing. That is, I think, a direct response to the way protest has been handled, on the whole.
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Just seen them outside the BBC on Sky news with banners like †œMassacre those who insult IslamÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â faceââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s covered of course. Islam and peace donââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t seem to go hand in hand
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If that isn't incitement to hatred, I don't know what is.
Never mind the sensitivities - move in with plenty of police and arrest them all.
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03-02-2006, 13:36
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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Originally Posted by STOP
Just seen them outside the BBC on Sky news with banners like †œMassacre those who insult IslamÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â faceââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s covered of course. Islam and peace donââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t seem to go hand in hand
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Seeing as the literal rendering of the Arabic word 'islam' in English is 'peace', it seems very odd that they are standing there with banners that say 'massacre those who insult peace!'
I doubt the irony has occurred to them though. 
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03-02-2006, 13:54
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Think most people already know what would happen if a Christian or someone from another faith had banners like that. Seems to be EuropeÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s just afraid of Muslims because of the actions they take through out the world
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03-02-2006, 13:59
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
bloody hell 
sky report on London demonstrations...
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...501917,00.html
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Hundreds of Muslims have staged angry protests in London following the publication of cartoons satirising the prophet Mohammed.
Scores waved placards bearing angry messages, one declaring: "Behead the one who insults the prophet".
Others said: "Free speech go to hell" and "Europe: Your 9/11 will come"
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03-02-2006, 14:07
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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Looks like they got tanked up on religious fervour at Friday prayers before taking to the streets. I'd have loved to hear what the Imams were telling them.
I have no time for people who have such utter contempt for the rights, freedoms and traditions of this country. The content of some of those placards is extremely offensive and frankly I think anyone carrying one of them should be investigated by Immigration. Any of that lot who are not British citizens should be on the next boat out of here. If they want to overthrow our way of life they can do it from the comfort of whichever liberal, free democracy they came from.
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03-02-2006, 14:14
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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Looks like they got tanked up on religious fervour at Friday prayers before taking to the streets. I'd have loved to hear what the Imams were telling them.
I have no time for people who have such utter contempt for the rights, freedoms and traditions of this country. The content of some of those placards is extremely offensive and frankly I think anyone carrying one of them should be investigated by Immigration. Any of that lot who are not British citizens should be on the next boat out of here. If they want to overthrow our way of life they can do it from the comfort of whichever liberal, free democracy they came from.
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I am normally very hesitant to call for such measures, but I have to say I am deeply disturbed by this.
The sad thing as well is that these people are not doing their fellow muslims, the large majority of which I'm sure, disapprove of this form of protest no favours at all.
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03-02-2006, 14:16
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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Looks like they got tanked up on religious fervour at Friday prayers before taking to the streets. I'd have loved to hear what the Imams were telling them.
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It does make one wonder...
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The content of some of those placards is extremely offensive and frankly I think anyone carrying one of them should be investigated by Immigration.
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Never mind that, because I'm less concerned that any non-British be expelled than I am interested to see the law being applied even-handedly. Yet, I suspect the police won't act (they'd probably say to avoid further violence) in this case.
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03-02-2006, 14:18
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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It does make one wonder...
Never mind that, because I'm less concerned that any non-British be expelled than I am interested to see the law being applied even-handedly. Yet, I suspect the police won't act (they'd probably say to avoid further violence) in this case.
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Yes, I should add that anyone who is a British citizen should be subject to the full force of whatever lncitement laws have actually made it onto the statute book. But anyone who is here as our guest ... well they can collect their coat on the way out as far as I'm concerned.
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03-02-2006, 14:20
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But anyone who is here as our guest ... well they can collect their coat on the way out as far as I'm concerned.
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AFTER they've felt the weighty arm of the law upon them, and served their time, THEN they can be returned their coat and a one-way ticket to wherever they came from.
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03-02-2006, 14:23
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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
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I have no time for people who have such utter contempt for the rights, freedoms and traditions of this country. The content of some of those placards is extremely offensive and frankly I think anyone carrying one of them should be investigated by Immigration. Any of that lot who are not British citizens should be on the next boat out of here. If they want to overthrow our way of life they can do it from the comfort of whichever liberal, free democracy they came from.
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Sadly that view will be shared by many watching this from the sidelines. Not that I disagree, it is sad because it seems the protestors have no idea of how inappropriate their actions are in comparison to the western perception of the 'crime' against their faith.
As has been said, if, rather than 'death to the infidel' the Muslim community had ignored the offensive publications, or protested more appropriately, we would think a lot more of them.
Ironic that when they hurl abuse at the right to free speech they avail themselves of that very right
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