Should they be published in the UK? - Page 3

Jon M · 03-02-2006, 10:27

IMO it's an issue of respect, pure and simple.

I've said as much many times before on these forums...

A right to something (free speech) is all well and good, but exercising that right is a choice, not an obligation.

I can't say that these people should not have created/published the cartoons, but I think is was a disrespectful thing to do.

Respect is a forgotten and largely shunned character trait these days, unfortunatly.

Pierre · 03-02-2006, 10:29

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Mod Edit (Chris T): I said DON'T. We have not decided yet, ee are deciding what to do, same as ever newspaper in the UK is deciding what to do. If/when we decide to allow links, we will say so in this thread.

Well IMO that makes this site as spineless, scared and compliant as every other form of media.

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 10:35

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Well IMO that makes this site as spineless, scared and compliant as every other form of media.

No, it makes us responsible for weighing up the arguments of freedom of speech against gratuitous offence first. How about you hold on to your condemnation until we've actually made a decision?

Laying into the team for considering the issue properly is as stupid as the extremist nut jobs who can't separate reporting on an issue from supporting it.

Mails Crushed · 03-02-2006, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well IMO that makes this site as spineless, scared and compliant as every other form of media.

The Guardian is thinking about it

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgri...o_publish.html

The guys here need time too

Pierre · 03-02-2006, 10:43

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Originally Posted by Chris T

No, it makes us responsible for weighing up the arguments of freedom of speech against gratuitous offence first. How about you hold on to your condemnation until we've actually made a decision?

Laying into the team for considering the issue properly is as stupid as the extremist nut jobs who can't separate reporting on an issue from supporting it.

No ones asking anyone to publish the cartoons on this site, it was only a link to another site.

How can anyone on here expect to have an informed opinion about it if they don't know what these drawings are.

Have you seen the drawings?? I'm sure you have. Do you find them offensive -I know you're not a muslim but I'm sure you have seen cartoons depicting Christ possibly rediculing him. Would you stop them from being published.

Are muslims offended by any depiction of Mohammed.

In fact I would welcome a muslim on this site to advise which cartoons they find offensive and advise why because I can't see it.

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Pierre

No ones asking anyone to publish the cartoons on this site, it was only a link to another site.

How can anyone on here expect to have an informed opinion about it if they don't know what these drawings are.

Have you seen the drawings?? I'm sure you have. Do you find them offensive -I know you're not a muslim but I'm sure you have seen cartoons depicting Christ possibly rediculing him. Would you stop them from being published.

Are muslims offended by any depiction of Mohammed.

In fact I would welcome a muslim on this site to advise which cartoons they find offensive and advise why because I can't see it.

Of course I've seen them ... I went googling days ago, when this first blew up. I posted above a search string that will reveal the cartoons. What we have to consider here is that this is a Cable user support forum, and is it worth the site getting DOSed by Islamist nut-cases for the sake of a cartoon that has nothing to do with the aims of the site. We may well decide it's no big risk at all.

I have no idea whether I'd find the cartoons offensive if I were a muslim, but I have seen stuff that offends me as a Christian, and some of it, if it were posted here, I would ask the team to remove as I would find it gratuitously offensive. Thankfully I think any of that sort of stuff falls outside the 'family friendly' policy of this site anyway so it's possibly not a good analogy.

I do pick and choose the websites/forums I visit though. It's easier to simply walk away than to start a fight you can't win. All the Islamists have achieved here is to give worldwide notoriety to something that few would ever have heard of otherwise.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 03-02-2006, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Jon M

IMO it's an issue of respect, pure and simple.

I've said as much many times before on these forums...

A right to something (free speech) is all well and good, but exercising that right is a choice, not an obligation.

I can't say that these people should not have created/published the cartoons, but I think is was a disrespectful thing to do.

Respect is a forgotten and largely shunned character trait these days, unfortunatly.

And this is what people seem to be forgetting here.

If I exercised the right of freedom of speach to walk up to someone and start slagging of their mother or sister, calling her a whore etc etc I would more than likely get a violent response. The problem here is that people are disregarding how much love and to what a level of esteem muslims hold the Prophet Muhammed in. Freedom of speech is one think, but applying it to cause offence (and not for one minute do I think the editors did not think they were going to cause offence) is just being the catalyst for ongoing problems.

Also the fact that the news shows muslims in certain parts of the world burning danish flags, newspapers, issuing death threats does not mean that this is how the majority of muslims in the world are acting over this (as some posts are trying to insinuate here). Yes the majority of muslims will be offended, but has anyone seen a muslim in london walking around burning a flag or shouting out "Death to the Danes". Most of the ones I know are actually sending in their opinions via letters to editors and text polls and petitions.

Derek · 03-02-2006, 10:52

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but has anyone seen a muslim in london walking around burning a flag or shouting out "Death to the Danes".

There were outside the BBC this morning for daring to show it for a few seconds.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 03-02-2006, 10:54

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There were outside the BBC this morning for daring to show it for a few seconds.

Ok, so I didnt see them, but dont you agree this is in a minority?

Mails Crushed · 03-02-2006, 10:56

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Of course I've seen them ... I went googling days ago, when this first blew up.

Unfortunate choice of words but I suspect deliberate

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 10:58

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Ok, so I didnt see them, but dont you agree this is in a minority?

Yes, it's a minority, but sadly it's a minority that has proven itself capable of causing death and mayhem on our own streets. The attention they are getting is sadly justified.

03-02-2006, 11:15

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There is definitely a lot of that going on here.

'Here' being where, exactly?

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 11:16

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'Here' being where, exactly?

In the situation under discussion, naturally.

03-02-2006, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Mails Crushed

The Guardian is thinking about it

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgri...o_publish.html

The guys here need time too

Fair enough, but you've now been allowed to put in a link to a site that states quite clearly that IT has links to sites that have the cartoons.

I think there is a difference, in the case of CF, between debating actually publishing the cartoons, or allowing links to them. It seems as if first-hand links are not allowed, but second hand ones are? That is just silly.

Russ · 03-02-2006, 11:20

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Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Fair enough, but you've now been allowed to put in a link to a site that states quite clearly that IT has links to sites that have the cartoons.

You sure about that?