Should they be published in the UK? - Page 2

Mails Crushed · 03-02-2006, 09:04

another one

Mod edit (Chris T): Please do not link to any cartoons for the time being. The team is considering what CF's position on this should be.

No problemo!
MC

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 09:08

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Fatwa? *imagines crowds of muslim extremists burning ethernet and modem cables in street*

Well, you know we have moved our server from the US to Germany, and a German paper published the cartoon ... guilt by association and all that. Remember a Palestinian mob descended on the EU building in Gaza (or West Bank?) waving Kalashnikovs.

In fact it's come a little closer to home now. Apparently some BBC TV news bulletins showed it (albeit briefly) last night, prompting a demo by about 60 masked Al Mujahiroon nutters at the front gates of TV Centre. It's odd that they have totally failed to grasp that by kicking up such a furore, they have made the cartoon a news item in its own right. Left alone, it would never have amounted to anything more than the editorial opinion of a Danish newspaper. Now it's a global news story, of course it's going to start appearing elsewhere.

I predict it will have been in more than one UK newspaper before next Monday morning.

Ramrod · 03-02-2006, 09:14

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I predict it will have been in more than one UK newspaper before next Monday morning.

Bloody hope so! We still have freedom of speech here (and a highly developed sense of humour and satire)

03-02-2006, 09:21

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Did I say we should bow down to violence?

Yes. I'll remind you:

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but then again people shouldn't set out to purposefully insult a religious group who have already proven themselves fully prepared to show their displeasure in a very public way.

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It would appear that someone has been embelishing the facts to stir up anti western hatred

Which must mean that the original 12 cartoons weren't actually insutling enough to cause outrage?

**Paul** · 03-02-2006, 09:23

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Well, you know we have moved our server from the US to Germany

A little premature there Chris, we haven't moved yet.

03-02-2006, 09:28

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Although it's not Jesus' crucifixion, a great many Christians have been offended by this, believing it to be disrespectful of the very core of their faith.

But Jesus was not the only person to have ever been crucified by the Romans, so a crucifixion, of itself, is not disrespectful. It was just another case of someone taking offence without just cause.

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I predict it will have been in more than one UK newspaper before next Monday morning.

If by then the editors can still figure out which of the 100's of variations were actually published originally, and which have since been added to the 'pool' for added impact.

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 09:30

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A little premature there Chris, we haven't moved yet.

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Gah, I shouldn't bother reading the technical threads in the admin area ...

Email has moved though hasn't it?

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Paul K · 03-02-2006, 09:34

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Did I say we should bow down to violence?

Yes. I'll remind you:

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but then again people shouldn't set out to purposefully insult a religious group who have already proven themselves fully prepared to show their displeasure in a very public way.

Strange that but I still cannot see where I said we should bow down to violence?? Must be these glasses

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 09:36

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But Jesus was not the only person to have ever been crucified by the Romans, so a crucifixion, of itself, is not disrespectful. It was just another case of someone taking offence without just cause.

Indeed. And I am not one of the Christians who took offence to the film (in fact I attended a screening of it that was held as a fundraiser for Christian Aid week while I was at university). The Pythons said they were having a go at organised religion, and TBH I think the film does that very well. As I said, the one actual brief appearance of Jesus in the film doesn't send him up at all. It does send up some of the people standing at the back of the crowd listening to him though.

That's not to say I think people don't have the right to take offence at something. My main beef is still the way they are expressing it. As others have already said, reacting to a cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb on his head by turning up outside an EU building waving a machine gun has a certain (entirely unintended I'm sure) irony about it.

Outraged of Gaza has totally failed to understand that if you want to counter something, you need to do it by laying out your reasoning, not by burning flags and threatening to blow people up. The tragedy is, the Islamic world was not always like this. In Our Time on R4 yesterday morning had a very interesting discussion about the Abbasid Caliphate. It's well worth a listen if you have 45 minutes to spare: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/

danielf · 03-02-2006, 10:01

The plot thickens...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4675462.stm

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In the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, dozens of protesters from the Islamic Defender's Front (FPI) forced their way into a high-rise building housing the Danish embassy.

The incident happened after an Indonesian newspaper posted the cartoons on its website. It was later forced to take them down.

Where is the mass outrage over a paper in a muslim country publishing the photos? Or is this just not being reported?

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 10:08

I don't know, it actually sounds like they are being marginally more intelligent about their protests in Indonesia, reserving their ire for the Danes for inventing the cartoons, rather than putting the boot in to any organisation that reports on the story.

danielf · 03-02-2006, 10:14

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I don't know, it actually sounds like they are being marginally more intelligent about their protests in Indonesia, reserving their ire for the Danes for inventing the cartoons, rather than putting the boot in to any organisation that reports on the story.

I agree it appears more intelligent, but it also appears rather selective, thus making one question the sincerity of the reasoning behind the protestors...

**Chris** · 03-02-2006, 10:16

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I agree it appears more intelligent, but it also appears rather selective, thus making one question the sincerity of the reasoning behind the protestors...

Sincerity is a good point. PM interviewed a Guardian cartoonist on Wednesday who discussed people who use taking offence as a weapon to squash opinions they don't like. There is definitely a lot of that going on here.

Russ · 03-02-2006, 10:17

I remember Christians being told to "calm down dear, it's only a film" back in 1988 when "The Last Temptation of Christ" came out.

Wonder why so many Muslims are unable to follow suit?

Pierre · 03-02-2006, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Mails Crushed

another one

Mod edit (Chris T): Please do not link to any cartoons for the time being. The team is considering what CF's position on this should be.

No problemo!
MC

Publish and be damned.

Has everyone actually seen any of them.????

Mod Edit (Chris T): I said DON'T. We have not decided yet, we are deciding what to do, same as ever newspaper in the UK is deciding what to do. If/when we decide to allow links, we will say so in this thread.

It's pathetic that we even consider not publishing. The representation of God and Jesus has adorned thousands of cartoons much worse that any of these.

Most of then cartoons don't even reference the prophet mohammed they could be a depiction of any middle eastern islamic man.

and the one that clearly depicts mohammed is quite funny, about the suicide bombers (I assume that's what they are) arriving at heaven only to be told they've ran out of virgins.

Why do we always bow down to pressure from activist muslim groups. I bet the average muslim doesn't care a toss