Sacked by Ntl. - Page 3

Nor · 16-10-2003, 22:51

Don't be so ridiculous.

NtlRebelReborn · 16-10-2003, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Bifta

If you insist on posting comments such as

On a site owned by the company that paid your wages then I'm sorry but you must have expected something like this to happen.

Whether the company pays my wages or not, is not the point, I still have the right to voice my opinion.

Bifta · 16-10-2003, 22:56

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Originally Posted by NtlRebelReborn

Whether the company pays my wages or not, is not the point, I still have the right to voice my opinion.

You certainly do, likewise, if you make attempts at bringing their company into disrepute on their OWN web site, they have the right to take disciplinary action against you.

Bifta · 16-10-2003, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Nor

Don't be so ridiculous.

Well said, now try backing it up with something of substance.

georgepomone · 16-10-2003, 23:01

Hi ntlrebel,
these things will always happen. So sorry that your job has ended.
As for being what you said it don't really matter as hundreds have lost their jobs with ntl in the past who have provided service under the most trying conditions.
If ntl were undeserving of these comments that's differant.I make no comment on the service because we all know the reason for these sites.They are beginning to show the extremes of panic setting in.That's when these companies lash out in all directions.
I know if I was on dial up and came across this nonsense of this dialer software then I would be pulling out.Another long term customer gone.I can't see where they think they are going at the moment with all this dirty washing appearing in front of the customers eyes.They can't plead that it's nothing to do with them because senior management seems to be in the background of a lot of it.A company the size of ntl doing this gives the hint that they have lost the plot.What are the bosses doing allowing this to happen.It really is time they got a grip.All this crap going on means that the problem isn't at the bottom but at the top.No large company can afford this nonsense going on it's time some of this management in the middle tier were cracked down on.They are doing nobody any service at all.

NtlRebelReborn · 16-10-2003, 23:05

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Originally Posted by Bifta

You certainly do, likewise, if you make attempts at bringing their company into disrepute on their OWN web site, they have the right to take disciplinary action against you.

I don't want to be drawn into an arguement, but I can see your point.

Don't forget I posted on an open public forum, one which I have posted on long before I worked for Ntl.

Bifta · 16-10-2003, 23:18

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Originally Posted by NtlRebelReborn

I don't want to be drawn into an arguement, but I can see your point.

Don't forget I posted on an open public forum, one which I have posted on long before I worked for Ntl.

At first I thought it was a little over zealous, i.e. sacking you when a verbal or written warning would probably suffice but then I thought about wether I'd post anything negative about any companies I'd work for while I was still employed by them, I probably would, but I'd make sure there was no information tracing it back to me and I certainly wouldn't do it on their own site. Anyway, getting the sack for any reason is not a pleasant experience and I hope you find gainful employment again soon.

Frank · 16-10-2003, 23:42

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Originally Posted by NtlRebelReborn

Whether the company pays my wages or not, is not the point, I still have the right to voice my opinion.

That is correct, and on that basis I would go to tribunal for unfair dismissal. The information is not confidential because it is in a press release. Also, if you were posting in your own time, using a non-CLT account which is umarked as an ntl staff account, then ntl do not have a leg to stand on.

{FU}Fubar · 16-10-2003, 23:49

Bifta is calling some one a monkey an insult then ? because we did evolve from then, getting sacked because of that is bloody dumb, just what i expect from ntl,

sorry to hear about your mis fortune ntlrebel, all i can say is feck em, let the buggers go under and get bought out by some people who care, if theres any left in this world

Nor · 16-10-2003, 23:58

Bifty I have plenty to substantiate my viewpoint but I've had my fill of trolls on forums and I've given up trying to substantiate everything to the n'th degree.

.... on the substantiation note i really can't believe the fact that he used another ntl email address when he registered on the website is being used as a reason for his dismisal. I mean how on earth can someone registering on a forum and not using their own email address can be grounds for being sacked. We're talking about someones life here, their career, their livelyhood.

... reason 2. Bringing the company into disrepute. By calling a dept monkies ? How on earth is that bringing a company into disrepute.

... reason 3. By releasing privaleged information. Em the same information was released 6 months earlier in a press release by NTL according to people in the know.

Its just madness and I hope you have the strength to take this to a tribunal.

Scarlett · 17-10-2003, 00:03

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Originally Posted by NtlRebelReborn

The e mail address was not registered to me, hence 1 count of gross misconduct. Count 2 was bringing the company name into disrepute and count 3 was the releasing of privelidged information about the new freedom software.

Counts 2 & 3 no way but count 1 I fully hold my hand up to.

Loks like the NTL boys don't like to see certain things, Looks like they just want to spin the whole thing to make it look good. I'm suprised! If that post (and I assume that they specifically pointed to that one at the point that they dragged you into the HR ofice/up against the wall) was did so much harm to the company that it warrented you instant dismissal for Gross misconduct, why is it still there and availible for the world to view ? Surely if it was that much of an issue, they should have removed it...

as for point 2 I think they're doing a perfectly good job of that themselves, maybe they're jealous

Scarlett · 17-10-2003, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Nor

Bifty I have plenty to substantiate my viewpoint but I've had my fill of trolls on forums and I've given up trying to substantiate everything to the n'th degree.

.... on the substantiation note i really can't believe the fact that he used another ntl email address when he registered on the website is being used as a reason for his dismisal. I mean how on earth can someone registering on a forum and not using their own email address can be grounds for being sacked. We're talking about someones life here, their career, their livelyhood.

Read: We can find out who you are. You post to our 'ahem' user discussion site as NTL employees or not at all and you tow the company line. as for your Ass, its ours!

Scarlett

Nor · 17-10-2003, 00:08

It sounds to me like it got blown out of all proportion. Someone on the site obviously flagged it up. Whether it was an employee from that dept, whether it was a mod, whoever. The moderators were then clearly involved in tracing this person and finding out where they lived.

It then snowballed into something that was way beyond what it warranted. Its just sheer madness and stupidity that it went so far as it did and someone has ended up losing their livelyhood because of an innocuous comment and other 'made up at the last minute' reasons have been used to try and lend weight to such an outrageous decision.

Nor · 17-10-2003, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Scarlett

Read: We can find out who you are. You post to our 'ahem' user discussion site as NTL employees or not at all and you tow the company line. as for your Ass, its ours!

Scarlett

Exactly mate. It makes you wonder whats going on with our personal details when this happened to ntlrebel. If I post something that people don't like do my whereabouts and account details get traced and something happens to me ?

Scarlett · 17-10-2003, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Nor

It sounds to me like it got blown out of all proportion. Someone on the site obviously flagged it up. Whether it was an employee from that dept, whether it was a mod, whoever. The moderators were then clearly involved in tracing this person and finding out where they lived.

It then snowballed into something that was way beyond what it warranted. Its just sheer madness and stupidity that it went so far as it did and someone has ended up losing their livelyhood because of an innocuous comment and other 'made up at the last minute' reasons have been used to try and lend weight to such an outrageous decision.

I suspect that you'll find that Neil and Ben are nothing to do with this one but that is for them to say, however given what has happened and the speed, I'd say that there we're other forces at work. mind you it is an NTL server so the IP wouldn't have been too difficult.

As for something beyond what is warentted, I suggest you look up the term 'Object lesson' and see where that will take us.