Pro or Anti NTL? The Truth

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally Posted by Mark W

I thought you waxed lyrical a little while ago about how you were no longer an ntl customer?

That ole nonsense, Mark, suggesting on matters I never said. I've already explained my position to you sometime ago when I accused you of lying. Which part you don't understand? Take your lying, deceiving ways with you or are you just looking for another argument? It seems NTL employees are ganging up on me again.

[Mark W]

Originally Posted by Undisputedtruth

That ole nonsense, Mark, suggesting on matters I never said.

hmmm....how about

I get excellent customer service from BT

as found here
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showt...8815#post58815

i was looking for the post where you said you had taken up another provider - but to be honest, i gave up - after 50 odd posts, and not one positive thing to say about anything i was getting depressed, so i gave up looking for it

[handyman]

Originally Posted by Undisputedtruth

It seems NTL employees are ganging up on me again.

I work for freeserve matey, have not been at ntl for a month. Get your facts right please, and as for the life thing, since I am capable of dicussing more than one subject I am able to post in more threads

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally Posted by Mark W

hmmm....how about



as found here
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showt...8815#post58815

i was looking for the post where you said you had taken up another provider - but to be honest, i have up - after 50 odds posts, and not one positive thing to say about anything i was getting depressed, so i gave up looking for it

Mark, you're questions are out of topic. I've made it clear in earlier posts of what services I have with NTL. The fact you keep bringing this matter up suggests you are looking for another argument. The only other person that kept asking this question was Craig J and look what happened to him. I suggest you read my posts carefully and you should get the answer you are looking for. I've already told you once about what services I have and I'm not going to keep repeating it again for the sake of few NTL employees. Is that clear?

Furthermore, I did say from an earlier post that I was never going to answer anymore questions on what service I have with NTL. So Mark are you going keep asking off topic questions? If you I shall repeat your question with an "off topic answer" in future. This is solely done to prevent proNTL mobs and employees of NTL arguing with me.

I am very sorry you feel depressed but hey, what about the poor customers putting up with poor customer services? Now that's what I call depressing!

Ok thats it, I've had enough, got a few things to say.


UDT, you do not and will not ever speak on my behalf or regard myself as having any kind of similar views to yourself. I will not be used named nor un-named in any kind of imaginary statistic you may or may not pull out of thin air.
(glad I got that one cleared up, I dont wish to be included or linked in any kind of sympathy to anything you say).

I said before I admired your views, since you just started abusing a mod of this site and stating in public that you think they are lying to you, I have lost all sense of admiration and currently feel nothing but utter contempt towards you.


Now thats said, I wish and will ask that you either leave this thread to run its course and post "On topic" and without abusing any member or mod. Or that you leave this thread and start acting in what I consider to be an adult manner.


Many thanks
Timewarrior 2001

Please can we get this thread back on topic now?

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Ok thats it, I've had enough, got a few things to say.


UDT, you do not and will not ever speak on my behalf or regard myself as having any kind of similar views to yourself. I will not be used named nor un-named in any kind of imaginary statistic you may or may not pull out of thin air.
(glad I got that one cleared up, I dont wish to be included or linked in any kind of sympathy to anything you say).

I said before I admired your views, since you just started abusing a mod of this site and stating in public that you think they are lying to you, I have lost all sense of admiration and currently feel nothing but utter contempt towards you.


Now thats said, I wish and will ask that you either leave this thread to run its course and post "On topic" and without abusing any member or mod. Or that you leave this thread and start acting in what I consider to be an adult manner.


Many thanks
Timewarrior 2001

Please can we get this thread back on topic now?

I'm sorry you feel that way. Perhaps, you have not considered the mod's sarcastic comments. Perhap's you have not considered his out of topic questions towards me. Yes, there is history between a particular mod and I over the last few months which I don't think you have considered. I would of thought it would be more sensible for the mod to stay out of my way instead of baiting me for an argument. Many of the wuestions this mod was asking were out of topic and this matter could easily been dealt with using the PM. The mods here have told us to keep on topic and perhaps this particular mod should of set an example.

Other than that, I certainly not looking for respect from anyone. Nor will I lose sleep over upset employees. You're entitled to your views as just as I am.

[dialanothernumb]

Originally Posted by Undisputedtruth

I certainly not looking for respect from anyone.

How consistent you are, UDT

Originally Posted by Undisputedtruth

You're entitled to your views as just as I am.

Doesn't stop you branding people as "proNTL" "Liars" and other derogatory descriptions over the last year or so.

Ridiculous again, UDT... respect

[Escapee]

I think it's time we dropped the arguments between the pro-anti thing because there are so few on either side these days. ( a lot were wrongly labelled anyway)

I think a lot of the anti's have dissapeared due to bannings from .com and the general treatment they received, and many of the pro's dissapeared when they found the beloved company that they stood up for either s**t on them some way or just simply made them redundant.

Both sides are now very small and I guess the treatment that ntl has allways dished out to employees will mean a few new uninformed employees will take time to find out the companies true feelings for employees. The anti's have diminished in numbers as the company has shed the jobs of the very people who defended them, so lets try and get on.

I see no point in the anti's ganging up on the smaller number of pro's that are left for revenge, the few abusive company employees that caused most arguments and insults against anything said that was anti-ntl have left or changed their opinion of ntl IMO

PS: Just read between the lines and see just how unreasonable the most pro or anti's can be, I dont have to mantion any names and I am "NOT" pointing the finger but it has made me get angry on occassions when certain employees have lied/twisted to make the company look good, and these people are usually CSR's or in other low paid positions in the company, that makes it all the more hard to understand. If they were well paid managers arguing to keep themselves in a job I would appreciate it a bit more.

Is it worth the anti's getting so worked up about something that is not going to change, and is it worth the pro's getting worked up about a company that is not paying a lot and will kick you out without any hesitation no matter how much effort you put in?

[Macready]

the only thing I will say is I genuinely find it funny though that some of the pro ntl people that defended it so much, now dont speak in that manner after Craig J and his suspension.

Never fails to amuse seeing the change in peoples views like that.

Originally Posted by Escapee

I think it's time we dropped the arguments between the pro-anti thing because there are so few on either side these days. ( a lot were wrongly labelled anyway)

No the anti's are still here and always will be at least while NTL is still around lol

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Defiant

No the anti's are still here and always will be at least while NTL is still around lol

I don't see the point in labelling people. We have all joined this forum for our own reasons. Most seen to be happy, but we have different levels of 'happy'. From my perspective, it's costly, but the service itself is fine, no real reason to gripe. It's unlikely they will drop prices, so we'll have to lump it.

Other people have real grievances and NTL should sort it. It doesn't take much to go from Pro to Anti, and with some attention not much to go from Anti to Pro.

$lagging each other off won't get us anywhere, and will be a source of amusement to NTL . If we work together to get things sorted it will be more harmonious around here, and will build a real 'community'.

I'm not stupid enough to believe that there won't be differences of opinion on many things, but beating up the NTL staff who are trying to help us, will not actually achieve anything.

For the record: I do NOT work for NTL, I just don't want to see this site turn into a free for all.

[Richard M]

I agree, this site often gets labelled as extremely anti-NTL at some times which we're not - we just have the freedom to criticize without censorship.

We do need to change a bit, we need to start helping users with NTL problems more rather than just having arguments with each other.

In .com's best days, a user would post a technical problem (for example) and would get a response within 10 minutes.
It was awesome for problem solving.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Roger K

I agree, this site often gets labelled as extremely anti-NTL at some times which we're not - we just have the freedom to criticize without censorship.

I don't see this as an 'ANTI' site, but appreciate the Freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by Roger K

We do need to change a bit, we need to start helping users with NTL problems more rather than just having arguments with each other.

I couldn't agree more, maybe we can identify users who are experienced in certain areas and ask if they are willing to be named in a 'IF YOU WANT HELP - talk to these ppl' thread. Or even come up with common solutions to known issues ?

Originally Posted by Roger K

In .com's best days, a user would post a technical problem (for example) and would get a response within 10 minutes.
It was awesome for problem solving.

Then lets try and make this one even better. One of the main reasons people still use .Com, is the problem resolution. Times are changing as weve all seen over the last couple of weeks, so maybe we need to be more 'Customer' and 'problem' focused.

We need to promote the expertise of the users we have, whilst encouraging NTL CLT to use the site without fear of abuse. That way we will provide everything that .Com did, but better.

Now that Frank has resigned, can we use his expertise ?

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by Nemesis

We need to promote the expertise of the users we have, whilst encouraging NTL CLT to use the site without fear of abuse. That way we will provide everything that .Com did, but better.

Yep, I want to see the CLT members posting on here but I'd prefer if they used their old usernames because a) they are more familiar to me and other long term users of .com and b) it would be a lot more safe in case of NTL watching us (which they do, one of our members has already had trouble over posting here).
Quite a few have registered, but few of them post regularly.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Now that Frank has resigned, can we use his expertise ?

That's entirely up to him, I'd like him to though.

[basa]

Originally Posted by Nemesis

<snip>Now that Frank has resigned, can we use his expertise ?

Would that be as a forum admin / editor or salesman ??