*All* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

sorry but no

we should expect the best we live in one of the richest counties in the world we should expect one of the best services

You could say so much in response to that 'sentence' couldn't you but it would take the thread madly off topic.

Britain is a ****hole with a **** poor standard of living relatively and both companies, government and other citizens queueing up to rip you off to be honest. In between being ripped off by the Govt in terms of ridiculously high taxation and private companies charging over the odds we're in trouble.

BUT a lot of the reason for this apparent overcharging is things such a bureaucracy, wage levels needing to be relatively high to support our prodigious tax bills, poor productivity, etc, etc with some simple profiteering.

It's not as simple as just saying that companies simply rip us off. If that were the case someone would undercut them all.

We pay what we have to pay sadly. Blame companies, regulators, government, the unemployed, the unions, etc, etc.

[Hans Gruber]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I am sure that there are ISP's about who will give you what you want, fast speeds and unlimited downloading of content of whatever form. The only problem is that you probably wouldn't be able to afford the cost of being provided with such a service. You can't expect to buy a new Ferrari and pay the cost of a 20 year old Skoda with no MOT for it.

People have to stop comparing what is available in other parts of the World and what those services cost. You live in the UK and have to take what is being offered here and pay the cost involved. UK ISP's would have to spend billions to provide what you want, billions that they do not have and billions that most people are not prepared to pay their fair share of in higher subscription costs.

I'm pretty sure you said no company could pull off an unlimited 2mbit service for £25 a month during NTL's last round of speed upgrades. They've been offering that service unofficially since then, and now made it official.

ISPs such as Be and UKonline have put thought into their unlimited, high speed services, and who knows, NTL may soon follow their lead.

[Kaychsea]

Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

I'm pretty sure you said no company could pull off an unlimited 2mbit service for £25 a month during NTL's last round of speed upgrades. They've been offering that service unofficially since then, and now made it official.

ISPs such as Be and UKonline have put thought into their unlimited, high speed services, and who knows, NTL may soon follow their lead.

Why is it people only think that thought has been put into something if they agree with it? Is it not possible, nay, probable, that NTL have put some thought into it (with a bit more access to the actual costs involved) and come to a different but valid conclusion than you have by pulling figures out of a bag?

As has been said many times (many, many times) before, the ADSL offerings are not directly comparable to the cable offerings. The infrastructure costs have been negligible in comparison to the cable companies, the user base is much smaller and they don't have to worry about integrating different platforms from the premerged offerings.

The only thing that has kept them back is the feet dragging of BT in unbundling the local loop and the persistent problem of line distance from the exchange which can cripple the service. And I'm not sure the delay has actually hurt them as much as might seem.

You are buying a service from a company, you don't have to if you don't want to. To use as blatantly cock-eyed an argument as the TV analogy, you don't whinge at your baker because your loaf is capped!

[LenMackin]

So what's happened to this thread? stopped at the end of 2005? Is everyone happy with the cap or has it been removed?

Originally Posted by LenMackin

So what's happened to this thread? stopped at the end of 2005? Is everyone happy with the cap or has it been removed?

could be that this thread has been capped

[lordy]

It's official (At least for new contracts).

http://www.home.ntl.com/icat/broadband
"Unlimited Downloads" (for the 1Mb and 2Mb packages)

Can anyone verify any official word on whether this applies to existing contracts too...

(Although practically speaking I think the answer must be yes!)

Doesn't anyone read the front page or news articles?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...mited-jan-2006

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by LenMackin

So what's happened to this thread? stopped at the end of 2005? Is everyone happy with the cap or has it been removed?

Doubt it, it's probably due to the large number of I can't get my 10B to work properly threads. Can't complain about going through your cap if you can't P2P at full speed can you

[grubbymitts]

http://www.home.ntl.com/icat/broadband and check what it says under the 1mb and 2mb. I had the email, so it isn't just for new customers.

Now let this thread rest in peace.

[Willc0]

No it isnt dead. 10mb cusomers still have a 75GB cap.

Originally Posted by Willc0

No it isnt dead. 10mb customers still have a 75GB cap.

And i think it will be a cold day in hell when they remove that. There is the potential to download over a terabyte of data a month on that connection and i for one don't want a billy downloader on the same cab as me with 10 meg downloading the internet.

[Griffin]

That is individual choice you can either have 1mb or 2mb uncapped or you can have 10mb with a 75gb cap, later this year there will be cheaper 10mb options but with smaller caps too. At the end of the day it boils down to choice, do you want speed but with a cap or have you got patience & can wait for things to download. In effect you can download at 1/5 of the speed but a substantial amount more over the course of the month

I suspect that most people who do large amounts of downloading use bitTorrent or some other P2P 'service' and they will not notice much benefit from the 10meg service as downloads are rarely very fast anyway. They will be much better off on the 1 or 2 meg unlimited.

Originally Posted by Paul M

I suspect that most people who do large amounts of downloading use bitTorrent or some other P2P 'service' and they will not notice much benefit from the 10meg service as downloads are rarely very fast anyway. They will be much better off on the 1 or 2 meg unlimited.

Sorry to disagree but the dedicated heavy downloaders have moved off the inherently insecure p2p systems and are now using the newsgroup services. If you want evidence of that just look how many newsgroup speed threads there now are on this forum.

Bittorent is now slowing down as more and more bittorrent users limit there upload with there client or with Netlimiter. This is then slowly stopping the big downloaders from using it as they can not get full speed on bittorrent, They then look at other options which is News servers.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Sorry to disagree but the dedicated heavy downloaders have moved off the inherently insecure p2p systems and are now using the newsgroup services. If you want evidence of that just look how many newsgroup speed threads there now are on this forum.

Bittorent is now slowing down as more and more bittorrent users limit there upload with there client or with Netlimiter. This is then slowly stopping the big downloaders from using it as they can not get full speed on bittorrent, They then look at other options which is News servers.

Bittorrent speed also depends on how many seeds you have. Personally i have downloaded the knoppix dvd iso file 3.11gb at an average speed of 75kb/s on the 2mb line.
I think if eveyone was more willing to allow things to take a bit of time to download then you wouldn't see people moaning about 10mb having caps.
Myself i find the 2mb line is more than adequate for speed, with the added bonus of no cap!