*All* ntl Cap Discussion (part 4)

[grubbymitts2]

I think they are thinking along the lines of those that have 10mb will be able to stream the HD content that NTL and a few others are probably thinking of broadcasting.
At this kind of quality content would be unwatchable at the lower ends of the broadband model, but fine at 10mb+. But you have the 75gb cap - so, NTL nicely charge you on top for these services (pay per view sort of thing) and this doesn't affect your 75gb usage.

The lower tier/unlimited model is in line with other companies offering similar packages - simple competition economics. Fair Usage still applies, so if you are constantly strangling your upload (those that don't use Bit Torrent properly) and affecting people nearby, or downloading 24/7 at full speed then I think they will crack down - even Bulldog and AOL do this.

[Chrysalis]

I would probably goto 2meg unlimited at 24.99 if that was rolled out, my reasons would be (a) here at least I only get near 10meg speeds at twilight hours now and rarely upload so the speed advantages are mostly cosmetic for me. (b) the amount you can download is heavily disproportionate, the cap would be effectively 600gig on 24.99 and 75 gig on 37.99 although I will probably only go above 75 gig 1 in every 3 months but peace of mind is better. I am slightly dissapointed by this tho, its a move to continute to get new customers and without network upgrades will just slow things down more. Also a bit odd this would happen soon after people have been throttled down to 512kbit.

[PC_Arcade]

Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy

realistically even with 2Mb constant P2P you dont go much above the cap on a regular basis. Sound like you cut off your nose when you moved

I can assure you I didn't "cut off my nose". The reason I left was in protest about the introduction of the caps, the MEANS by which they were introduced and the fact that they were enforced unfairly, with only some customers being contacted.

I'd leave again, NTL are a company and the ONLY means I have to register a protest with them is to remove my custom from them if they cannot give me what I want. I removed my custom and I've always asserted that with the exception of the caps NTL were fine for me, now that they have (IF they have) removed them, I no longer need to make that protest and will move back.

With CONSTANT p2p on a 2mb line (i.e ~200kbps for 24hours x 30 days) you would download ~500Gb a month which is SUBSTANTIALLY over the cap, and that doesn't take into account the 50Gb or so you would be uploading either :lol:

Now just imagine how much damage someone doing 5x that would do to NTL's network

[mcmanic]

2Meg unlimited will suit me fine also, i've never seen 10meg yet even though i got it so paying £30+ for a capped service and not achieving full speed like others that are to me is a waste of cash. 3meg speeds was perfect, 2meg Unlimited will be even better.

These stupid speeds which alot of us cannot obtain are a waste of time, a nice stable constant 24/7 unlimited cheaper service is all i require.

Bring it on is all i have to say

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by Bill C

So let me just get this stright.

NTL might be offering 1 and 2 meg at the same price "if i read it correcly" as they do now but for unlimited.

And still there are complaints and crys of "it's not good enough".

I would be more than happy with 2mb unlimited for £24.99p m but not at the £37.99p m that has been quoted in some posts (post 31 for instance).
I am on 10mb at the moment fair enough the speed is great but i don't like having to worry about going over the limits, which are too easy to top approx 21 hours flat out would use the bandwidth if my calculations are correct

[RoNa7dO]

Originally Posted by Griffin

I would be more than happy with 2mb unlimited for £24.99pm but not at the £37.99pm that has been quoted in some posts (post 31 for instance).
I am on 10mb at the moment fair enough the speed is great but i don't like having to worry about going over the limits, which are too easy to top approx 21 hours flat out would use the bandwidth if my calculations are correct

true mate, i would be happy aswell and that why i will b dropping down to 1 or 2 meg because i alrleady did 70GB in abt 10 days and im worried what will happen so nxt year definetly i will be moving down

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by Skippie

Does anyone know if the people who were put on 512 unlimited are allowed to change to these new offerings?

Quite sure you aren't allowed to upgrade if you have been forced to downgrade.

[DieDieMyDarling]

Originally Posted by Ignition

Quite sure you aren't allowed to upgrade if you have been forced to downgrade.

It wouldn't surprise me, but surely the sensible thing would be for ntl to forget past crimes against caps, as there are now official unlimited services available for those customers.

I still find it a little surprising that they aren't offering a 37.99 unlimited service. I'd have thought if 2mb was going to be the fastest unlimited service then surely they'd have made that the 37.99 service. They may not be too happy if lots of people downgrade to 2mb and pay £13 a month less as a result.

[grubbymitts2]

Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling

I still find it a little surprising that they aren't offering a 37.99 unlimited service. I'd have thought if 2mb was going to be the fastest unlimited service then surely they'd have made that the 37.99 service. They may not be too happy if lots of people downgrade to 2mb and pay £13 a month less as a result.

Simple competition economics. When other companies are offering the same - and sometimes better - service for cheaper than you, then it would be commercial suicide to raise your equivalent service's prices.

Originally Posted by Ignition

Quite sure you aren't allowed to upgrade if you have been forced to downgrade.

I was moved to 1mb in november and then got email telling me that I was being moved to 512 unlimited, my bill shows 1mb.
I am not a heavy user, about 30g a month average.
I think that if the service is 1mb unlimited then that is the service I should be getting not this 512, at no point in this to and fro have I been given any choice, except for the initial opt out from 1mb with cap.
I was not forced to downgrade just downgraded and then told about it.
Some clarification from NTL on what exactly they are doing would be nice but as usual it appears that mis information rules.

[grubbymitts2]

Originally Posted by tony

I was moved to 1mb in november and then got email telling me that I was being moved to 512 unlimited, my bill shows 1mb.
I am not a heavy user, about 30g a month average.
I think that if the service is 1mb unlimited then that is the service I should be getting not this 512, at no point in this to and fro have I been given any choice, except for the initial opt out from 1mb with cap.
I was not forced to downgrade just downgraded and then told about it.
Some clarification from NTL on what exactly they are doing would be nice but as usual it appears that mis information rules.

30gb a month is 10X what you are allowed currently with 1mb - that's probably the reason for the downgrade, though it does seem strange to move you up in November and then downgrade you in less than a month.

[Willc0]

I joined NTL August/Septmber this year.
Had the 1MB sevices had a 30gb cap for new customers not the 3gb, I would have taken that! As it was I took the 2MB.
Soon as the pricing settels down I'll proberly downgrade my connection. Even 512k would be enuff... to me its about prices.


Whats I want to know is does this mean NTL will be changeing to similar priceing like Telewests 512/2 1mb/4mb 2/10mb unmited set up that they have at the moment?

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by matmimi

that is not fair....i was leeching 24 hours/day @ 3 Mbit and now they want us to do the same @ lower speed......2 Mbit is something from the past....

HA. Back down to 2mb for you lemming.


They should launch an assault on the penny pinchers at BT with the unlimited options and BT's billing of people over caps, it would make for good publicity, but obviously that will never happen unless we are talking about just on the ntl channel.

[rogerdraig]

well see cable forumnews it seems to have changed yet again

and as usual customers are still in the dark

Originally Posted by grubbymitts2

30gb a month is 10X what you are allowed currently with 1mb - that's probably the reason for the downgrade, though it does seem strange to move you up in November and then downgrade you in less than a month.

That is why i opted out of 1mb, and decided to stay on 300k with 30g cap.
Then i get email saying "good news - blah blah -- you are now going on to 512 unlimited".
Now they appear to be saying the 1mb is going unlimited and i am stuck on 512.
For a communications company NTL are decidedly short on communication, nothing new there though.
If i can summon the will maybe i'll try CS.