Are Ntl restricting Usenet access?

[Chrysalis]

newshosting does look impressive I like how you can force a route using the port number and I imagine they better because they cost a bit more then the rest.

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Sorry but that is not true NTL are not throttling easynews simple as that.
Now you can choice not to believe me , but i know we are not throttling newsgroups

I'm not doubting what you're saying, but how do you know that they're not restricting bandwidth (especially as it seems to be also time related, off-peak hours being OK according to one poster)?

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

newshosting does look impressive I like how you can force a route using the port number and I imagine they better because they cost a bit more then the rest.

I use them because of that feature

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Have just tried all the ports that newshosting allows and it's full speed on all of them. I can honestly state that we are not throttling the ports on newsgroups.

Originally Posted by Dazzlercee

I contacted Easynews about slow connections and I was told that NTL are having problems and are throttling usenet connections at certain times.

I have no idea why easynews would make such a false statement.

[jtwn]

Beware, newshosts will bull**** and blame everyone else till the cows come home just to not dent their reputation, its always the ISP's problem with them.

[andygrif]

Originally Posted by Bill C

I have no idea why easynews would make such a false statement.

I think that's a bit unfair, as no-one seems to know what's going on at the moment. Perhaps this can throw some light on things http://forum.easynews.com/index.php?...ewThread=82578

Looks as if there are a few potential causes on the table...but then at least they look like they're trying to get the bottom of it.

Originally Posted by jtwn

Beware, newshosts will bull**** and blame everyone else till the cows come home just to not dent their reputation, its always the ISP's problem with them.

Equally, I would suggest caution in believing everything that an ISP tells you... it wouldn't be the first time that things were being done to the internet connection in a slightly underhand manner.

Not that I am suggesting that this is happening in this case...but there are always two sides to every story...and that thread linked above is quite interesting.

Not that it really affects me, I don't even use ntl's newsgroups anymore let along a third parties (since I died of terminal impatience waiting for 2k of text to download several years ago).

[davidthornton]

I've done some testing tonight:

NTL 10Mbit:

newshosting.com - takes 3 connections to max 10mbit
eu giganews.com - takes 1 connection to max 10mbit
newscene.com - takes, I estimate, 5+ connections to max 10mbit
easynews.com - cannot get it to go above 3mbit with any number of connections

Bulldog with speed of ~6Mbit:

easynews.com - takes 2 connections to max out the ~6mbit
I didn't bother testing the other three

Easynews and NTL are definitely having issues together.

[Chrysalis]

It is probably a peering issue possibly a saturated peering port from ntl.

If you test giganews during peak hours whatch the speed crumble that will be because the amsterdam congestion.

[grubbymitts]

weird thing just happened to me - alt.binaries.clonezone was there, I started grabbing a file and then the whole group disappeared (no such group error). Refresh of the group list showed it had disappeared completely. Using powerusenet which is a reseller of giganews. Weird.

[Chrysalis]

ok to try and settle this easynews issue I did a trace on their site to me and got this

HOST LOSS RCVD SENT BEST AVG WORST
ge1-8-1000m.sw1.easynews.com 0% 10 10 0.42 12.17 35.60
e-2-31-1000m.core-03.phx1.puregig.net 0% 10 10 0.30 2.64 22.10
ge3-3-0.jr1.phx1.llnw.net 0% 10 10 0.78 5.71 18.39
agg1-6-1.ar1.phx1.llnw.net 0% 10 10 1.41 5.57 31.84
so1-5-1.ar1.dal.llnw.net 0% 10 10 28.62 43.93 85.36
so1-5-2.ar1.ord.llnw.net 0% 10 10 52.81 56.69 83.51
so1-5-2.ar1.lga.llnw.net 0% 10 10 74.58 80.28 108.37
so1-5-1.ar1.lon.llnw.net 0% 10 10 148.15 152.16 174.35
ag1-21.fr1.lon.llnw.net 0% 10 10 147.44 151.44 175.00
195.66.224.25 60% 4 10 281.77 292.43 302.11
bre-bb-b-as0-0.inet.ntl.com 0% 10 10 142.88 163.85 208.13
ren-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com 0% 10 10 153.07 158.69 199.07
lee-bb-b-so-600-0.inet.ntl.com 20% 8 10 152.68 160.44 193.24
lee-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com 20% 8 10 152.66 157.32 179.98
leic-t2core-a-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com 0% 10 10 154.80 155.82 161.02
leic-t2cam1-a-ge-wan32.inet.ntl.com 0% 10 10 154.83 165.49 206.07
leic-leic-ubr-8-ge01.inet.ntl.com 0% 10 10 152.56 153.25 156.30
??? 100% 0 10 0.00 0.00 0.00

the hop 195.66.224.25 and leeds hops have packetloss but 195.66.224.25 does look suspicously high, dnsstuff reports the owner as LINX.

Now look at the 1st hop you will see it has an average of 12ms and worst of 35ms, this hop is internal to easynews and that is very high latency for a LAN so I reckon easynews have some internal problems to sort out and the blame for this one doesnt seem to lie with ntl.

[Chrysalis]

to bulldog.co.uk

ge1-8-1000m.sw1.easynews.com 0% 10 10 0.36 5.49 44.94
e-2-11-1000m.core-03.phx1.puregig.net 0% 10 10 0.31 0.42 0.59
ge3-3-0.jr1.phx1.llnw.net 0% 10 10 0.81 1.85 10.30
agg1-6-1.ar1.phx1.llnw.net 0% 10 10 1.37 5.54 21.72
so1-5-1.ar1.dal.llnw.net 0% 10 10 28.51 29.74 32.66
so1-5-2.ar1.ord.llnw.net 0% 10 10 53.01 54.22 60.05
so1-5-2.ar1.lga.llnw.net 0% 10 10 74.60 78.59 98.77
so1-5-1.ar1.ams.llnw.net 0% 10 10 151.42 152.06 154.27
ag1-21.fr1.ams.llnw.net 0% 10 10 150.64 153.61 165.66
de-cix1.schlund.net 0% 10 10 154.59 155.41 156.18
pos-50.gw-backbone-b.bad.schlund.net 0% 10 10 157.08 161.09 191.94
a0kac1.gw-dista-a.bs.ka.schlund.net 0% 10 10 157.07 162.39 181.33
gw-ps6.bs.ka.schlund.net 10% 9 10 158.13 167.84 198.68
212.227.127.109 10% 9 10 157.38 158.29 158.84

it doesnt go over that dodgy LINX hop but this isnt accurate for a bulldog dsl user since bulldog are hosting externally in germany O_o.