smoking and the pub

And this.... BUPA resume of research (reasd the whole thing for the dodgy tobbacco-funded research findings! )

"More than 50 studies on the health impacts of passive smoking have been carried out over the past 25 years, including a number of landmark studies providing significant evidence of passive smoking risks. Such work includes research by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), the Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health and the ACS.

Notable research includes a study published in the BMJ in 1997, conducted by Hackshaw and colleagues, which analysed 37 passive smoking studies and found a 24 per cent increase in lung cancer among people living with smokers. In fact, said the charity Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), "Tobacco specific carcinogens found in the blood of non-smokers provided clear evidence of the effect of passive smoking."

Additionally, far more reliable data was obtained in the ACS Cancer Prevention Study II (CPS-II) study, which was about 10 times larger than Dr. Enstrom's work. They enrolled patients in the 1980s, when fewer exposures to tobacco smoke outside the home existed, and therefore far less "background noise", and follow-up has been much better (over 99 per cent). The results unquestionably show an increased risk of lung cancer and heart disease."

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_informa...0503smoke.html

[Russ]

Originally Posted by SlackDad

I totally agree with you that if you remove smoking then there can not possibly be any adverse effects from passive smoking.

Good!! That's all I've been trying to point out since about 10am....

Originally Posted by SlackDad

I'll find one for you in a couple of years .

Not if the passive smoking gets me first

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by andyl

And... the Aussie Govt:

Conclusion
The scientific evidence shows that passive smoking causes lower respiratory illness in children and lung cancer in adults and contributes to the symptoms of asthma in children. Passive smoking may also cause coronary heart disease in adults. It is estimated that passive smoking contributes to the symptoms of asthma in 46,500 Australian children each year and causes lower respiratory illness in 16,300 Australian children. It also causes about 12 new cases of lung cancer each year in adult Australians. Passive smoking may also cause 77 deaths a year from coronary heart disease.

http://www7.health.gov.au/nhmrc/publ...htm#conclusion

None of which I am in contention with.

And this... (hey, this is fun! ) American College of Physicians

"Conclusions: Both passive and active smoking are associated with an acute deterioration in the elastic properties of the aorta. This association between exposure to tobacco smoke and aortic elasticity indicates that aortic function deteriorates during passive or active smoking. " http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/128/6/426

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by andyl

It is estimated that passive smoking contributes to the symptoms of asthma in 46,500 Australian children each year http://www7.health.gov.au/nhmrc/publ...htm#conclusion

Children shouldn't be in smokey pubs.

Funnilly this site doesn't mention it at all

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/asthma.htm

Although I would think that all would agree that children should not be subjected to passive smoke.

Such a shame then, that if a total ban did come about that is exactly what would happen in milions of homes up and down the country.

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by Chris T

It has already been posted (or, at least, quoted from), but one of the frustrations of this thread is that cold, hard statistical fact seems to cut little ice with some of the determined smokers.

Or rather, lack of.

This one's chirpy....
"The body of research on passive smoking continues to grow. In addition to the health effects described in the conclusions of the major reviews cited above, research evidence has linked passive smoking with the following effects on health:


Lung cancer

Asthma

Parental smoking during pregnancy and risk of cancer in childhood

Cystic fibrosis

Cancer of the uterine cervix in non-smokers

Snoring and night cough in children



http://library.thinkquest.org/19796/data/e012.html
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I have no idea what endothelial dysfunction of the coronary circulation means, but it doesbn't sound good!! http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/286/4/436



Is this debate done yet?!!

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by andyl

This one's chirpy....
"The body of research on passive smoking continues to grow. In addition to the health effects described in the conclusions of the major reviews cited above, research evidence has linked passive smoking with the following effects on health:


Lung cancer

Asthma

Parental smoking during pregnancy and risk of cancer in childhood

Cystic fibrosis

Cancer of the uterine cervix in non-smokers

Snoring and night cough in children



http://library.thinkquest.org/19796/data/e012.html
__________________

I have no idea what endothelial dysfunction of the coronary circulation means, but it doesbn't sound good!! http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/286/4/436



Is this debate done yet?!!

Hey Andyl, another Hicks quote for you: "And you know what doctors say? "****, if only you'd smoked - we'd have the technology to help you. It's you people dying from nothing who are screwed". I've got all sorts of neat **** waiting for me - oxygen tent, iron lung...it's like going to be dandy."

[Russ]

Originally Posted by andyl

Is this debate done yet?!!

Evidently not...

Originally Posted by SlackDad

Or rather, lack of.

Given Andyl's two recent posts, you're really just serving to illustrate my point.

OK, I'm irritating myself now, so last hurrah: http://www.ehso.com/SmokingRespHealth.htm

And Pierre, smoky pubs shouldn't be inflicted on children.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Children shouldn't be in smokey pubs.

They have every right to be eating dinner with their parents in any of the tens of thousands of pubs that also function as a restaurant. Many of these have segregated seating, I accept, but I think the concept of air conditioning that keeps smoke out of the non-smoking areas is one of the greatest mis-selling scandals of our age. I have yet to go to such an establishment where the non-smoking tables anywhere near the smoking ones are free of smoke.

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Given Andyl's two recent posts, you're really just serving to illustrate my point.

Hang on I've stated on more than one occasion that I am not in contention with the research on the effects of smoking and secondary smoke

[Russ]

Why?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris T

They have every right to be eating dinner with their parents in any of the tens of thousands of pubs that also function as a restaurant. Many of these have segregated seating, I accept, but I think the concept of air conditioning that keeps smoke out of the non-smoking areas is one of the greatest mis-selling scandals of our age. I have yet to go to such an establishment where the non-smoking tables anywhere near the smoking ones are free of smoke.

And the new regulations state that this will be the case, so what's your problem?