smoking and the pub

Originally Posted by printerman

Smokers....it kills you and it kills me. I don't smoke so you shouldn't be able to do it near me. Full stop.

First i dont smoke. But my answer to you is DONT GO NEAR THEM. There are loads of none smoking pubs where i live and i go in both. Or is it a case of they should not smoke because i say so.

then i suppose as i dont like 4x4's then they should not drive them near me in case they harm me. Same reasoning.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by orangebird

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Originally Posted by clarie
Because then the choice of where we all go depends on whether the pub is smoking or non-smoking.



No **** sherlock!

Well I must say I thought it was rather an obvious point too...shame you didn't pick up on it.

Originally Posted by orangebird

No idea. Why can't those who own their own business choose what they have happen on their own premises?

Because health concerns need to be taken into account, hence the laws already set up to prevent dangerous activitites taking place in such places (such as drug abuse etc) and the proposal to ban smoking.
And for the above reasons. That we who choose not to smoke should not be restricted from going to certain places just cos we don't want to breathe in second-hand smoke.

Originally Posted by Kliro

Because I dont want to have to pick and choose where I can go to the pub, just because you want to light up. You made the decision to smoke, so you should have to deal with the consequences, as you said, your an adult.

Why should smokers be segregated because you have to go to a smoking pub. If the owner of the pub wants smokers then except it. This is just a case that you think you might not get something someone else wants.

I don't like diesel cars because they are giving out cancerogenic fumes but i have no choice but breath them in. But i have the choice of wear i drink and exercise my right to go to the pub that i want to attend.

[Kliro]

Originally Posted by orangebird

No idea. Why can't those who own their own business choose what they have happen on their own premises?

Because there are laws, these laws must be abided, no-one owning a business has a free-reign per se, especially when their business affects the general public, and please stop with the 'if you dont like it, go somewhere else' because its childishly selfish

Originally Posted by Kliro

Because there are laws, these laws must be abided, no-one owning a business has a free-reign per se, especially when their business affects the general public, and please stop with the 'if you dont like it, go somewhere else' because its childishly selfish

Childishly selfish. Grow up. when have you had the right to tell another adult what they can and cannot do if you have the choice not to go there. So if i was drinking arsenic would you want some in case you miss out..

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by clarie

Well I must say I thought it was rather an obvious point too...shame you didn't pick up on it

Erm I did, that's why I replied as I did I'm happy to only be able to go into certain pubs. Why aren't you?

Because health concerns need to be taken into account, hence the laws already set up to prevent dangerous activitites taking place in such places (such as drug abuse etc)

Abuse of some drugs is illegal - SMOKING ISN'T.

and the proposal to ban smoking.

But having only some pubs non smoking would tackle this too - why does it have to be a blanket ban?

And for the above reasons. That we who choose not to smoke should not be restricted from going to certain places just cos we don't want to breathe in second-hand smoke

Your above reasons aren't really good enough IMO. What about my friends livelihood? Are all the smoke haters and the government going to club together and give her a new business when she has to close through this new policy?

[clarie]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Why should smokers be segregated because you have to go to a smoking pub.

It's not about segregation, it's about providing a smoking area for the smokers that actually works (in that it does not allow smoke to float over to the non-smoking bit) so that everyone can enjoy the same pub.

As I have said before, this is not prosecution or prejudice, as a lot of people seem to be making out. This about an activity that is extremely harmful to the health.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Kliro

Because there are laws, these laws must be abided, no-one owning a business has a free-reign per se, especially when their business affects the general public, and please stop with the 'if you dont like it, go somewhere else' because its childishly selfish

pot kettel blah blah blah.

I'm saying have non and smoking pubs. You're saying non only. Can you please tell me where you learned your definition of 'selfish'?

Mods - where's the ****er smilie gone?

Originally Posted by Clarie

It's not about segregation, it's about providing a smoking area for the smokers that actually works (in that it does not allow smoke to float over to the non-smoking bit) so that everyone can enjoy the same pub.

As I have said before, this is not prosecution or prejudice, as a lot of people seem to be making out. This about an activity that is extremely harmful to the health.

So a smoking pub and a non smoking pub gives you the choice of where you go

Why is it then that the point raised here by some is "i must be allowed to go in the smoking pub then complain because there are smokers in it"

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Bill C

So a smoking pub and a non smoking pub gives you the choice of where you go

[clarie]

Originally Posted by orangebird

I'm happy to only be able to go into certain pubs. Why aren't you?

Is it not obvious? What if my favourite bars become smoking places? I won't be able to go to them then. I don't want my choice of bars to be restricted because I want to enjoy good health.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Your above reasons aren't really good enough IMO. What about my friends livelihood? Are all the smoke haters and the government going to club together and give her a new business when she has to close through this new policy?

If smoking is banned in all public places then your friend's business won't lose out to any other bars. However, were she to provide a smoking room, then she could cater for everyone. And to be honest, whilst I am not suggesting that your friend's livelihood is not important, there are other factors such as health that need to be considered.

Originally Posted by Clarie

Is it not obvious? What if my favourite bars become smoking places? I won't be able to go to them then. I don't want my choice of bars to be restricted because I want to enjoy good health.

But it's the owners pub to do with how they want not yours.

You will all be demanding they don't smoke in there own homes next in case the smoke goes up the chimney and you inhale it in the street.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Bill C

But it's the owners pub not yours

Someone gets it...

Yes it is hers. It's her home too. She bought the place freehold. The ban is tantamount to being told what she can and can't do in her own home.

Originally Posted by orangebird

Someone gets it...

Yes it is hers. It's her home too. She bought the place freehold.

I think plenty of us get it OB, it's just we don't think the fact that a particular individual owns a place confers automatic right for them to decide what goes on in that place, especially when you wish to invite the public in.

The Law already places huge restrictions on what she can do in her premises, covering health and safety, treatment of staff, permitted hours of serving alcohol, minimum age of customers buying the alcohol ... the argument that it's her place, so she should decide, really doesn't stand up.

[clarie]

Originally Posted by Bill C

You will all be demanding they don't smoke in there own homes next in case the smoke goes up the chimney and you inhale it in the street.

And you will be suggesting next that I allow smokers into my house to smoke as much as they want because otherwise they do not have FREE CHOICE about where they smoke.