[Merged] PVR for NTL - Page 2

15-10-2005, 13:23

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Originally Posted by jimbo

Oh, what a load of billhooks. I can't reveal exact plans for obvious reasons, but as presented publicly many times recently, we're talking months, not years for VoD rollout completion and a PVR appearing (which will be HD-capable). HDTV itself, I believe, will follow toward the end of 2006.

Jimbo

Your wasting your breath with that one mate. Black is white and the moon is the sun.

testcard · 15-10-2005, 16:28

Years ago I'd was happy to sit and watch tv at scheduled times.
Live television no longer fits my needs or expectations.

As recorders are basically pointless with ntl, television has become irrelevant to me.

The way ntl offers tv today it not sustainable for the future.

garyparson · 15-10-2005, 20:32

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Originally Posted by jimbo

Oh, what a load of billhooks. I can't reveal exact plans for obvious reasons, but as presented publicly many times recently, we're talking months, not years for VoD rollout completion and a PVR appearing (which will be HD-capable). HDTV itself, I believe, will follow toward the end of 2006.

Surely you meant 2016? We are talking about NTL here.

Coming soon.

What does Ricky Tomlinson's character say in the Royle Family again?

15-10-2005, 20:44

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Originally Posted by garyparson

Surely you meant 2016? We are talking about NTL here.

Coming soon.

What does Ricky Tomlinson's character say in the Royle Family again?

Want to put your money where you mouth is

Charity of your choice.

Or will you just spout your **** as you normaly do ?

Bob · 15-10-2005, 21:58

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Originally Posted by garyparson

What does Ricky Tomlinson's character say in the Royle Family again?

Alot of things... don't have scripts to hand

**Paul** · 16-10-2005, 00:09

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Originally Posted by testcard

Years ago I'd was happy to sit and watch tv at scheduled times.
Live television no longer fits my needs or expectations.

As recorders are basically pointless with ntl, television has become irrelevant to me.

The way ntl offers tv today it not sustainable for the future.

Please do enlighten us, why is it "not sustainable" ?

16-10-2005, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Please do enlighten us, why is it "not sustainable" ?

It will be the same crap that another poster in this thread comes out with. Big words with no proof what so ever. Lets see NTL's digital TV unsustainable. Now what proof do you think he will come out with. Answers on a post card to this address.

No 1
Pia in the sky statements
The land of make believe statements
The Troll cave under the bridge

testcard · 16-10-2005, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Please do enlighten us, why is it "not sustainable" ?

I'm looking forward-

Consumers will expect their entertainment to be on demand.

Sky+. epg recording on Freeview, podcasts are here now plus many developments starting online and on mobiles.

People who have money to spend will have less time to spend it and will require entertainment when it suits not by a schedule.

ntl offers a shed load of channels but by schedule. Quantity is no longer a substitute for choice.

quadplay · 16-10-2005, 16:21

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Originally Posted by testcard

I'm looking forward-

Consumers will expect their entertainment to be on demand.

http://www.home.ntl.com/page/ondemand

Rollout completing in 2006.

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Sky+. epg recording on Freeview, podcasts are here now plus many developments starting online and on mobiles.

PVR launching in 2006. Not sure what relevance podcasts have to TV packages?

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People who have money to spend will have less time to spend it and will require entertainment when it suits not by a schedule.

Completely agree. Hence ntl on demand.

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ntl offers a shed load of channels but by schedule. Quantity is no longer a substitute for choice.

See above.

testcard · 16-10-2005, 17:45

[QUOTE=jimbo]http://www.home.ntl.com/page/ondemand

Rollout completing in 2006.

On demand yes but it is only selective.

We already pay for the tv service and I don't know how much free content there will be.
I'm happy to pay to watch the latest film but I do not want to be charged again for watching standard content.

PVR launching in 2006. Not sure what relevance podcasts have to TV packages?

Well that is news to me. Sign me up. Any more details?

I used podcasts as a generic term for instant demand viewing. The new ipod
offers content and the BBC is developing this area. It was an example of what will be out there in the coming year.

ntl has a limited customer base, faces massive competition from many areas above all increasing consumer expectations.

If ntl were just to continue offer buckets of channels with little customer control this would be unstainable in the coming years.

But if pvr is coming & works like sky+ and VOD are generally 'free bonus channels' well the future is purple.

quadplay · 16-10-2005, 21:19

I'm not sure how many details have been publicly released on the ntl PVR, but from what I've seen, it could be awesome, and leave the current Sky+ standing - although I'm sure Sky have got something new in development!

There's a mix of content currently available via ntl on demand - including the pick of the last week's BBC programmes (chosen by the BBC), which is free. There's a wide selection of movies, from classics for ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£1.95 to the latest releases (often before they're on Sky Box Office) mostly priced at ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£3.50. There's also a wide range of Adult content, at ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£5.00 each, music videos at 20-50p each and kids shows at 25-75p each. Also recently launched is 'TV Hits', which has a number of series of programmes like Red Dwarf, Two Pints..., Cracker, Cutting It, Blue Planet and Walking With Dinosaurs - with episodes generally priced at 50p, or two or three episodes for 75p. Most series have one free episode (usually the first in the series). There's also weekly special offers, where programmes/files/music videos are offered free or at a discount.

testcard · 16-10-2005, 21:45

VOD appeals.
But the pricing structure does not.
Nothing is free but charging per view would mount up. Most already pay around ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£30 for their tv service. The shock of a months VOD charges may deter people from using it in the future.
It is early days, I'm sure the will be a 'VOD Pack'

Thanks for the info
Speaking of Sky they are in the market for BB ISP!

KenK · 16-10-2005, 21:51

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Originally Posted by jimbo

I'm not sure how many details have been publicly released on the ntl PVR, but from what I've seen, it could be awesome, ...

Investor briefings posted on the web have mentioned a PVR, but nothing has been announced directly to the customers. Given how heavily sky+ is being pushed, you have to wonder if ntl's marketing dept. is awake. I'm not too worried about it being awesome, I'm more interested in it being available!

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There's a mix of content currently available via ntl on demand...

... all of it chosen by someone else, and much of it I'd have to pay for. VOD is no substitute for a PVR, it's a totally different market. Just look at the sky+ advertising - "pause live TV", "rewind live sports" - how does VOD meet that market? It doesn't even meet the time-shifting function that 1980's VCR technology provides.

quadplay · 16-10-2005, 21:53

There are indeed plans for subscription-based VoD services, but I don't know much about them.

The marketing department can't start promoting a PVR until it's ready to be installed for customers.

KenK · 16-10-2005, 22:10

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Originally Posted by jimbo

The marketing department can't start promoting a PVR until it's ready to be installed for customers.

Maybe not, but they can influence product development plans and priorities. The first mention of PVR to investors said "2H05" but the latest posts say launching in 2006, so it seems it's not a priority. When in 2006? January? 31st December? Or will it slip into another year?