Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?

Whereas the UK gives legal aid to people when they disagree with their schools uniform policy

Yes, Because we would be a much better country if we just told people to sit down and shut up

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by andyl

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Originally Posted by Escapee
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Immigrants guilty of any minor crime, such as shoplifting, during their first three years in the country can be deported.


Who could argue with that?

Me?

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I have often said we dont get a balanced section of society from these countries, although cultural differences mean we in the west have different morals and attitudes to crime. The UK seems to attract its fair share of the bad apples from other countries.

It sounds like other western countries have similar problems!

Reading the local rag and spotting people with foreign sounding names in the court reports does not count as credible evidence. I have often said that


Me?
Reading the local rag and spotting people with foreign sounding names in the court reports does not count as credible evidence. I have often said that

I fail to see how any citizen of this country with any common sense could have any arguments, why should criminals not be sent back to their country of origin if they commit crime during a set probationary period?

Its not just about reading local rags, its also about being involved with people from certain parts of the world. Different cultures have very different values and morale levels, many of these people have the attitude that UK citizens have too much money and deserve to loose it.
I do pay attention to the amount of fraud commited by certain sections of society, but I can honestly say that in the last say 5 years, I know of no-one "personally" of UK origin (and that includes people of foreign descent born here) to of ripped any one else off. I do however know of 3 of african descent and one of asian descent.

1) Girlfriends friend Asian stole cheques from housemates and got thrown out, then stole from my girlfriend. She then claimed to of paid the council tax for two years but the other two occupants were taken to court for failure to pay... the list goes on with her.

2) Dodgy African woman I was involved with who went to work for my banks callcentre and looked into my account, also reportedly got caught with a handbag full of stolen credit cards about 12 months after we finished.

3) Dodgy African Woman who recently told me she stole money from work, and has borrowed money left right and center failing to pay it back.

4) Dodgy African Guy, borrowed a car from another african woman I know. She has never seen the car since and the police were not ineterested because they failed to locate his address.


I admit its not a broad view, but my opinions can only be based on facts experienced and known to myself. No matter how much someone tells me the world is flat, I have found it to be different.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes, Because we would be a much better country if we just told people to sit down and shut up

Probably. If people didn't assume that everything they didn't like was a direct attack on their freedoms and try to change it through the courts it might very well be better.

Originally Posted by dezzo

Probably. If people didn't assume that everything they didn't like was a direct attack on their freedoms and try to change it through the courts it might very well be better.

True that

[kronas]

my two cents, why cant we all just live as decent human beings, i dont believe a ban will solve anything but make relations between muslims and the municipality ever more strained.

All these are ever based on is fear. People are afraid of these cultures and will justify it (even convince themselves) that is is due to some actual danger they pose.

In reality it is because they do have a fear of the culture, a culture they cannot understand, so they impose stupid bans like this in an effort to force these cultures into being more like them. They think this will make the cultures easier for them to understand which in turn may take away some of there fears.

As usual it is the fear of the unknown that is driving this, nothing else.

[basa]

Originally Posted by Damien

All these are ever based on is fear. People are afraid of these cultures and will justify it (even convince themselves) that is is due to some actual danger they pose.

In reality it is because they do have a fear of the culture, a culture they cannot understand, so they impose stupid bans like this in an effort to force these cultures into being more like them. They think this will make the cultures easier for them to understand which in turn may take away some of there fears.

As usual it is the fear of the unknown that is driving this, nothing else.

It doesn't always follow that fear is unfounded. What if it is fear of the known ?

[me283]

Originally Posted by Escapee

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Immigrants guilty of any minor crime, such as shoplifting, during their first three years in the country can be deported.


Who could argue with that?

Only a fool IMO. It seems like a fantastic idea, and one that all countries should adopt. The logic is simple enough: welcome to the country; if you don't abide by the rules, you are no longer welcome. Pretty straightforward really.

Originally Posted by basa

It doesn't always follow that fear is unfounded. What if it is fear of the known ?

Such as?

[basa]

Originally Posted by andyl

Such as?

Well ... erm ... let's see ... off the top of my head ... oh yes .... terrorism.

Yeh that's the one !!!

[lippy]

Originally Posted by me283

welcome to the country; if you don't abide by the rules, you are no longer welcome. Pretty straightforward really.

Blunt and to the point, i like!

Originally Posted by basa

Well ... erm ... let's see ... off the top of my head ... oh yes .... terrorism.

Yeh that's the one !!!

Hardly typical of Muslims in general and certainly not justification for preventing people adhering to their beliefs as followers of one of the world's major religions.

Unless of course you think all Muslims are terrorists. And all Irish people. And all animal lovers etc etc etc

If I was to go to certain other countries and and get drunk in public I would get in trouble real bad trouble.If I was to sleep with someone elses wife I could get beheaded for it. In said other countries I would have to abide by there rules by there culture why should immigrants expect us or other countries to bend the rules for them.
If the Dutch wish to ban the Burka then its there right to do so in there country.Maybe it would be against there human rights but imo less against there rights than actions in other countries

[Salu]

I can understand her indignance follow a Muslim not shaking her hand on the ground she was a woman. That may be the custom where he lives but it is not the custom in the Netherlands or indeed, here. I understand the need to be tolerant and accommodating to other minority customs and practices but where they conflict with the host countyââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s customs then I feel the immigrants should acquiesce. Whether this applies to the wearing of Burkas is tricky. You could argue that security could be compromised in places as the identity is covered but I think this is linked to her annoyance of how those particular Muslims place women in the pecking order (maybe not the best expression) following the hand shaking episodeââ‚à ‚¬Ã‚¦.
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We need to be a bit more protective of our customs and ways. We've become so soft in certain areas that frankly, some minorities are taking the michael like a 3 year old finding how to exploit a parent.

And the latest on this:

A Muslim woman who was refused a job because she would not wear a headscarf is taking her case to the Dutch Equal Opportunities Commission.

And this was when she went for a teaching job as Arabic teacher at the Islamic College in Amsterdam.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4349584.stm

The debate on Muslim clothing in the Netherlands is heating up.