Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka? - Page 2

13-10-2005, 12:15

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

LOL @ marky

They'll be persecuting folk who wear hoodies next....

Was out in Nottingham on Saturday and saw loads pof people wearing Save The Hoodie stickers!

Ramrod · 13-10-2005, 12:22

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Originally Posted by andyl

Was out in Nottingham on Saturday and saw loads pof people wearing Save The Hoodie stickers!

They probably just didn't want to get beaten up by the hoodie wearing underclass!

Gareth · 13-10-2005, 12:23

What the heck, it's their country they can do what they like as far as I'm concerned.

Completely off topic but my first girlfriend, Bianca Boom, was Dutch.

danielf · 13-10-2005, 12:40

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Originally Posted by me283

It would appear that the Dutch are no longer the laid back bunch that they have long been perceived to be.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...823334,00.html

I am wondering whether they are being too intolerant, or maybe they are looking at how tolerent other countries (eg UK) have been, and feel that they don't ike the end result. Or maybe there is another reason behind it.

Anyone have any thoughts?

hmmm, I would have expected a little better from The Times:

The minister has stated yesterday that she is investigating the possibilities of banning the burka. There are no concrete proposals yet, so the following seems a little premature:

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The proposals are likely to win the support of Parliament because of the expected backing by right-wing parties.

And on page 2:

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Immigrants guilty of any minor crime, such as shoplifting, during their first three years in the country can be deported.

Is presented as existing legislation, when this is only a plan which has been proposed informally last week and has barely been discussed in parliament (and imo is quite unlikely to ever make it as a law)

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26,000 illegal immigrants are being deported, some of whom have been in the country for ten years and have established families.

Many illegal immigrants, particularly those who can show they have been in the country and worked there for a long time are actually allowed to stay. Those who cannot prove this do have to go though.

basa · 13-10-2005, 12:43

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Originally Posted by danielf

Many illegal immigrants, particularly those who can show they have been in the country and worked there for a long time are actually allowed to stay. Those who cannot prove this do have to go though.

Hmmm .. sounds like the basis for a plan.

13-10-2005, 13:05

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Originally Posted by me283

It would appear that the Dutch are no longer the laid back bunch that they have long been perceived to be.

Just as laid back as ever, hence not too impressed with the very un-laid back immigrants that insist on dragging the country back to the middle ages.

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Originally Posted by me283

I am wondering whether they are being too intolerant

They have been way too tolerant over the years - accepting anyone and everything without batting an eyelid.
But now some of those they've welcomed in are trying to change the liberated, relaxed and free nature of the country. The murder of Van Gogh (director) was definitely one of those events that is behind this shift in attitude.

One section of the community decided that being laid back wasn't good enough any more. Well, the Dutch think it is, so their attitude - quite rightly - is that if they don't like it, then no-one is making them stay.

danielf · 13-10-2005, 13:14

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Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Just as laid back as ever, hence not too impressed with the very un-laid back immigrants that insist on dragging the country back to the middle ages.

They have been way too tolerant over the years - accepting anyone and everything without batting an eyelid.
But now some of those they've welcomed in are trying to change the liberated, relaxed and free nature of the country. The murder of Van Gogh (director) was definitely one of those events that is behind this shift in attitude.

One section of the community decided that being laid back wasn't good enough any more. Well, the Dutch think it is, so their attitude - quite rightly - is that if they don't like it, then no-one is making them stay.

Is indeed the feeling of a section of the Dutch population. Though I should add there is not really an emphasis on deporting people, but rather on integration of those already there and restriction of people coming in. Things started changing quite a bit before the murder of Van Gogh though. The rise and subsequent killing of Pim Fortuyn has had quite a backlash as well. Basically, the country has been in turmoil for the last four years or so, and politicians are running around like headless chickens trying to outdo each other in being seen to be tough on whatever is in fashion this week.

me283 · 13-10-2005, 13:14

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Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Just as laid back as ever, hence not too impressed with the very un-laid back immigrants that insist on dragging the country back to the middle ages.

They have been way too tolerant over the years - accepting anyone and everything without batting an eyelid.
But now some of those they've welcomed in are trying to change the liberated, relaxed and free nature of the country. The murder of Van Gogh (director) was definitely one of those events that is behind this shift in attitude.

One section of the community decided that being laid back wasn't good enough any more. Well, the Dutch think it is, so their attitude - quite rightly - is that if they don't like it, then no-one is making them stay.

If that's the reasoning behind it, I admire their stance.

13-10-2005, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Gareth

What the heck, it's their country they can do what they like as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Gareth

Completely off topic but my first girlfriend, Bianca Boom, was Dutch.

I've also got quite a few friends who are Dutch as well.

13-10-2005, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Good for her!

Quite right. This 'distaste' of women that these people seem to have has nothing to do with Islam.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

The Dutch have been having a lot of problems with muslims in the Netherlands and they are fed up with the situation. They have realised that their tolerant, open ways have been exploited and are actually sneered at by many muslims there.

And therefore it is no surprise that they're saying enough is enough. Good for them! I don't see why a whole country should change its culture to suit an immigrant minority.

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I'm not sure if the ban is a productive way to start to reform things though.

No, not nearly productive enough. I'm sure they could come up with something more effective, like forced repatriation.

And since I know some 'liberals' will no doubt have something to say on this, I would like them to acknowledge first of all that the Dutch are generally know to be exceedingly liberal. Just look where it might get you.

13-10-2005, 13:48

good on the dutch.its there country let them do what they like.

basa · 13-10-2005, 15:39

Didn't the French try to ban foreign national dress (or aspects of it) in schools ??

Derek · 13-10-2005, 16:14

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Originally Posted by basa

Didn't the French try to ban foreign national dress (or aspects of it) in schools ??

They banned the wearing of headscarves during school hours. In fact as far as I know they banned all 'overt religious displays' such as crucifixes etc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3328277.stm

Whereas the UK gives legal aid to people when they disagree with their schools uniform policy

Escapee · 13-10-2005, 18:01

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Immigrants guilty of any minor crime, such as shoplifting, during their first three years in the country can be deported.

Who could argue with that?

I have often said we dont get a balanced section of society from these countries, although cultural differences mean we in the west have different morals and attitudes to crime. The UK seems to attract its fair share of the bad apples from other countries.

It sounds like other western countries have similar problems!

13-10-2005, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Escapee

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Immigrants guilty of any minor crime, such as shoplifting, during their first three years in the country can be deported.

Who could argue with that?

Me?

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I have often said we dont get a balanced section of society from these countries, although cultural differences mean we in the west have different morals and attitudes to crime. The UK seems to attract its fair share of the bad apples from other countries.

It sounds like other western countries have similar problems!

Reading the local rag and spotting people with foreign sounding names in the court reports does not count as credible evidence. I have often said that